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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:22 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm61 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i like this
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[go]$$Wcm61 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . 8 X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i expect him to play this. i dont mind this either.
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[go]$$Wcm61 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . 9 X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:38 am
by Magicwand
some comment about 66 :
it is a good move to attack my stone. but is it really necessary at this moment?
my point is that my stones are very light and not easily attacked.
even if he waste another move on my group... i still have aji left over.
my thought on his attack is premature. korean professionals say many times "the group is not easily attacked" because it is light and have many aji.

i am looking to play 'a' but i dont have time to play now. i hate that one stone aji and if i can play 'a' this will solidify below and i will get the thorn out of my finger.

can he live on upper left corner? :
i dont care if he live in upper left corner. it will be gote and he will give me more thickness and i will be happy.

if i answer to the move 66 then i am playing in black's flow. i can not win playing in his flow. i will change that by creating weakgroup on left side and gain thickness out of it and make move "66" a bad move.

i will try to comment on this game more often.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm61 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , a X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:32 am
by Kirby
Hard decision...

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:44 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm61 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My stone is looking a bit lonely, I think. This is a sidetrack from my original attack that I played with my last move, but I guess I have to endure it for now.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:52 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm61 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i will make his two stone uncomfortable. and try to find a series of moves that connect with the center.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:10 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm61 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , 0 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I should be safe with my three stones in the bottom left. Some points that I'm thinking about:
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[go]$$Wcm61 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X a . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , 0 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X b . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The places I've marked, "a" through "c" are not necessarily the exact spots I will play. I'm just thinking of these areas of the board.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:13 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm71 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i can not give him sente. i will nullify his lower left in sente.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:24 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm71 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O 2 . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This will make the bottom side uninteresting, which is good for me, because it's the area where white currently seems to have potential, if you don't count the top left.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:26 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm71 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:32 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm71 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . 4 X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think it's biggest to keep him separated here...

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:49 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm71 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . 5 X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | 7 . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:12 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm71 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X 8 . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I guess I should connect... I wonder if he'll decend with B8...

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:20 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm71 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:31 pm
by dfan
Magicwand:
Magicwand wrote:some comment about 66 :
it is a good move to attack my stone. but is it really necessary at this moment?
my point is that my stones are very light and not easily attacked.
even if he waste another move on my group... i still have aji left over.
my thought on his attack is premature. korean professionals say many times "the group is not easily attacked" because it is light and have many aji.

i am looking to play 'a' but i dont have time to play now. i hate that one stone aji and if i can play 'a' this will solidify below and i will get the thorn out of my finger.

Thanks for your comments. Observing your games is a very nice way to learn about aji. a would not have looked like such an important point to me.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:44 pm
by Magicwand
dfan wrote:Magicwand:
Magicwand wrote:some comment about 66 :
it is a good move to attack my stone. but is it really necessary at this moment?
my point is that my stones are very light and not easily attacked.
even if he waste another move on my group... i still have aji left over.
my thought on his attack is premature. korean professionals say many times "the group is not easily attacked" because it is light and have many aji.

i am looking to play 'a' but i dont have time to play now. i hate that one stone aji and if i can play 'a' this will solidify below and i will get the thorn out of my finger.

Thanks for your comments. Observing your games is a very nice way to learn about aji. a would not have looked like such an important point to me.


thank you for enjoying my game.

to observers:

what i played in lower left corner is horrorable.
i have lost points on that corner.
i think i didnt control my emotion and went after cash and gave him too much influence :(
but i was pretty much forced to play this way because i am already behind toomuch.