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84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

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Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 1:20 am
by Joaz Banbeck
Black's latest feels premature. He is simultaneously trying to use the aji on the right side and help his group escape. As a result, neither is done with great elegance.

Make fist first, then attack.

Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:53 am
by Laman
oh hell, this sucks. it took me long time even to realize how badly it sucks. i will post my thoughts as they came to my mind and as i already started to write them:

[first]hmm, i will just answer black's forcing move. i've tried numerous variations few moves before (by move 64, w M10) but didn't post them and didn't note them down either, and now i can't remember if i included also this possible forcing exchange... so now i've browsed them again, some of the sequences went up to move 100 and most of them ended with my fail, but with some quite promising
however, when i wanted to make diagrams from them, i realized that i had missed one move for black almost at the beginning which made all my variation useless...[/first]

[second]when i look at it, it is pretty silly, i guess i really forgot to consider Q10 before. most of my plans were centered around "black will try to catch my group on the left side, so i will have to capture his 5 stones on the right side some way". but if black just secure his position on the right side, it is up to me what to do on the left. and even if it allows me to break from the tightest surround, i will still have to make an eye there.[/second]

[now]it is very bad. not only black can secure himself, he can secure himself in sente:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . 1 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . . X W . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X 3 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

any deviations for white result in no gain or serious damage for me. then black has very good chances of killing my center group (example sequence):

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . a . B O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 5 X X O . . b B O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . 3 2 O X X X B O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 O O O X . W . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . 6 4 O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i had thought that now i could capture black group on the right, but with his three stones reinforcement, i can not. if i play a, black can answer b and if i try anything else, black plays a[/now]

in this scenario, i lose by choosing any way. that means i can either (a) resign or (b) find a way to end Diagram 1 with sente or (c) find a way to survive after Diagram 2 or (d) find a way to kill black group after Diagram 2. i would hate to take (a) and i don't think it is possible to do (d). (b) is easiest and keeps the game playable but it surely deepens my disadvantage. (c) would be preferable but it is difficult and failure means instant loss

i don't mind losing if i mess up, but it seems to me that black clearly dominates this game - when we played peacefully, he was just getting ahead and when i tried to counter that by fight, my position breaks in pieces - and i hate being inferior to my opponent, so i should better come with some solution

Merry Christmas!

Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 9:38 am
by Kayres
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #69 B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . B . O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This here should be working in my opinion.. Sad that he missed this. Maybe he will see it later on, they both seem to focus on the right side now.

Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 10:57 am
by Joaz Banbeck
Kayres wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #69 B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . B . O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This here should be working in my opinion.. Sad that he missed this. Maybe he will see it later on, they both seem to focus on the right side now.


That is a tricky line. Black can, of course, surround white, but he may not be able to do it with enough liberties. White can respond like this:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . B . O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 1 O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If black tries to block immediately, white hacks his way out:

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[go]$$Wc 5 Threatens second eye, 7 is double atari
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 7 X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . B 5 O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 4 O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 6 X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . 2 1 O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So maybe white extends once before blocking:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X 6 O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . 8 4 3 1 O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 7 5 X X 6 X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...which continues like this:


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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . 3 . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . 1 2 c . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X O X X X 4 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . d . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X X O O O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X X X X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . a b . . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Now black is ahead by one in the liberties race, but 'a' and 'b' are miai. As soon as black takes one, white takes the other in sente, thus gaining an extra move and putting himself ahead in the liberties race.
At the other end, 'c' and 'd' complicate white's liberty-filling plans.


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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . 3 . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . 1 2 c . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X O X X X 4 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . d . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X X O O O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X X X X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . a b . . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . 3 . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . 1 2 6 7 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X O X X X 4 O 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . 8 0 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X X O O O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X X X X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . a b . . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...and this is getting really hairy. If black makes a mistake, white will win the race and the game.

But as I suggested before, black need not risk these complexities. The honte move below solves all of black's liberties problems. Then the burden is on white to not make a mistake.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #69 B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


EDIT: my second diagram may have an error.:(

Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 11:05 am
by Kayres
The important thing is that black may not block when white tries to come out through the middle:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . B . O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . 2 1 O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I read that 4 is the key here. After this w loses because of lack of liberties. Maybe I am wrong but.. I can't see anything for white, and I spent a lot time reading this out. But I understand your point, sometimes you do not have to risk anything of course, and particularly b does not obviously.

Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 2:53 pm
by Perception
You're both missing the fact that after the black kosumi both black and white have 5 liberties and it's white's move. Black also can't escape with 2 because of the black hane at 3. Of course with black's latest move (the tsuke at Q10) this is irrelevant.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . 1 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . B . O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As always, if I missed something though feel free to correct me.

Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 10:34 pm
by youngjae
@Perception
I don't think white can close black in without getting into a bit of trouble...
I don't have a board with me to double-check but.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 0 7 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . b . 6 5 X 8 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O 4 3 1 9 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O 2 O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . B . O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After black 10, if white plays at 'a' to prevent a ladder, black plays 'b' netting white's stones. If white tries to do anything else, black has the working ladder which captures white 5 and 7.

Likewise let me know if I am missing something! :)

Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:02 am
by Laman
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #70 B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . . X W . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

after all, it was not so terribly difficult. if black plays Q11, i can just connect at R9. it prevents black P9 from being sente. then attacking / defending white and black group again becomes miai, so it should be ok. shame i didn't see it yesterday and instead started panicking :)

however, there is another move for black worth mentioning:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . b . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . . X W c . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X . O 1 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

luckily, after 2 neither a nor b nor c works

PS: good to see that our game (and my little crysis) attracted so many comments, i am looking forward to read them

sorry for the delay, i had to think about my move a bit

Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:18 am
by Dusk Eagle
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #71 B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . B X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He has to respond to this move.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #70 B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . 4 6 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X . O 2 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 1 O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X . O 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X 4 O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 1 O O X O O 5 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm having doubt about the quality of my last move. Anyway, there's a lot to read out now; the position is quite intense as it stands. Every move is important.

Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:14 am
by Laman
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #72 B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i believe i am still ok

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[go]$$Wcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 5 a O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . 1 2 . W . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . 3 X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X 4 O 0 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . 8 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X 6 O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O 7 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this is only small part of big tree of variations. they get extremely complex after black a but it seems i can make it. black may choose another 2 and 6 but these are most promising in my opinion

Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:36 am
by Joaz Banbeck
White's best is 2 here, I think. It may allow him to get some compensation for the almost certain loss of his center group.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . 4 . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . 1 X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . 3 . O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X 2 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O 3 O 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I still prefer the black position here, but white is getting possible compensation that black need not allow. Black is using his aji on the right before its time.


EDIT:
White just moved while I was writing this. It is another dissappointingly conservative move. White is behind and must play aggressively here.

Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:20 am
by Dusk Eagle
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #73 B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X B O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Yuck.

Anyways, I must do this to prevent this cut:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 2 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . 1 . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . 3 X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Now, after the :b1: :w2: exchange below, he can't cut:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 5 a O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O b 4 6 7 O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

'a' and 'b' become miai.

Note that I don't think that :b4: at :w5: above is as good a way to handle the cut, due to the following sequence:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 X 3 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O 4 1 2 . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I thought about playing this way instead:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X 5 O a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . 3 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O 2 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It becomes a ko, but one that is too heavy for him, so after one ko threat he'll have to fill at 'a'.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . X W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X X O 2 6 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O O O 1 8 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X 3 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X 7 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I thought I had the yose sequence above in sente. But I was wrong:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X X O 2 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O O O 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X 3 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:w4: refutes playing this way.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X X O 2 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O O O 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X 4 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X 5 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

And in this case, :b5: isn't sente.

I can still gain a little bit in yose simply by making :b3: sente, but it costs me a liberty on my group and requires me to play some forcing moves as ko threats so it's probably not the best way to play. Now, the hard thing is deciding where to play my next move once he responds. It feels like one of the most important decisions in the game, so I can't treat it lightly.

Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:44 am
by Laman
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #74 B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . W . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

whoa, it still works. black 73 looks so awkward i forgot to consider it (despite it is the same move that worried me before). now i cannot easily catch black group anymore and still have to defend my side (otherwise black devastates it). ok then, i will try to break free with my center group even after another black's move

Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:01 am
by Kayres
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[go]$$Bc Move #73 B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . B . O X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I want to see this!! :mrgreen: c'mon dude. let's wait :study:

Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 12:12 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . B . O X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . W . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I want to see this next.
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