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86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)

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Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:13 pm
by ketchup
quantumf wrote:To Magicwand

think the analysis you have given in this game is among the best you've done. I'm really enjoying the ko discussion.



To magicwand:

Seconded. The commentary you've recently given regarding your games have been amongst the best. This is a huge difference from before. I am also enjoying this game because of it.

Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:08 pm
by Jedo
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 2 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 0 . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X 1 X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This ko is a fool's quest! The basic problem is white just has too many local threats; a problem I should have seen before. Unfortunately, I have wasted several of my own on a ko that's very hard for me to win. However, if white plans to just continue on with the game, I can wait for a time where I have more ko threats to continue the fight. If white just captures, then it's another free move for me. As for which move to take now, my main other consideration was the enclosure at f17. What can I say, I'm a sap for the sanrensei

Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:52 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . 3 . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


before i closeout the ko i will play to see if i can make more ko threat.
ko makes the game very very very complicated for the beginners.
i think i have gained at least 10 points during this ko fight and i will try to gain more points off this.

Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:18 pm
by Jedo
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 4 O . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Pretty straightforward here. As always I considered tenuki, but his jump down is far too painful. Maybe this:
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 6 . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 4 3 7 O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Depends how aggressive I want to get.

Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:55 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


if this is even game i would never play this rough :)

Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:23 pm
by Jedo
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 O 6 . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O 7 O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 0 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Let me know if I can capture your stones instead :D
Sad to say, I can't get any more uppity than this:
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 9 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 6 . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O 7 O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
No good will come of this. So what am I hoping for now?
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 0 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

MW has certainly succeeded in the always impressive handicap feat of turning my great thickness into over-concentrated garbage. Points are points though!

Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:38 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:35 am
by Magicwand
for observers:
this is my expectation.
taking corner and use 'a' as aji.
it might not be optimal but close to it.

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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:22 am
by Jedo
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I really can't do much else here. To not cut would result in badness:

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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I get pressed down and it feels like white got away with murder. So now
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 1 O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This looks pretty bad for white, so he'll probably find a better way to threaten the lower group and make life.

Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:54 am
by illluck
This looks really dangerous:

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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . b X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . c . . X X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Haven't read this carefully, but a and b both seem difficult to deal with, since c is sente.

Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:18 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . 9 . . X X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


if he answer my peep then this is one way street and 'a' i am alive and black group died.
if he doesnt answer my peep then i win the ko without ko fight.

my advice to SDKs:
when you play handycap game against someone strong it is inevitable that you make mistake and kill your group.
but if you can calm yourself and play correctly you still have chance to win.
if you play to makeup for your prior loss then you are sure to lose.
i think Jedo's move was exactly that. highway to loss.
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[go]$$Wcm109 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 4 X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 6 O X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 7 8 X X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:57 pm
by Jedo
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . X X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I can't find any way for him to capture anything over there. Also, the nice thing about this move is that it destroys his local ko threats. He still has two I can't ignore, so I'll have to keep my eye on threats I can use

Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:12 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner White:6 Black:5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 2 X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 4 8 X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . O 5 6 X X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

let me know if you disagree with this.
i think i will live by seki. 1-10 and a,b
i might be wrong because it took me only 1 minute to read this.
but i think i am right.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B Prisoner White:6 Black:5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | 8 6 5 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 O 2 O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 b O X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | a O X X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | 0 O O X X X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:17 pm
by hyperpape
For obs:
Assuming Magicwand is right about killing, shouldn't Black restart the ko and use the upper white group's need to live as a source of threats? Would this work/is it a good idea?

Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:20 pm
by Jedo
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