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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:04 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
I expected MW to resign here. All Kirby has to do is play solidly and semi-competitively, and the game is his.

This seems the only reasonable play next:

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[go]$$Wcm61 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . 1 . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:14 am
by tj86430
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
I expected MW to resign here.

Me too. After all, he just lost half of his stones on the board. Even with the fighting ability and spirit he has that just has to be too much.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:10 am
by lorill
Fredrik wrote:
By the way, did I make a mistake posting this at a crucial moment?

Don't worry, I'm weaker than both players, and I saw this as soon as MW posted his move. I'm sure Kirby has seen it before his

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:29 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm61 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I do not understand what is going on, anymore.

The reason I do not understand is because Magicwand's last move (P9, that is) seems to indicate that the right side is important.

However, this move moves me into his area on the right:
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[go]$$Wcm1 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . x x O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . x x x . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . x x . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I will have to be careful from here on out to see what his plan is and counter it.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:18 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm61 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:50 pm
by Kirby
I'm half-considering O13, but it might be too aggressive. I'm also thinking about N13, M14, and N14.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:10 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm61 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move just looks very interesting to me. I'll see how he responds...

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:15 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm61 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . O . X . X . 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



i lost 1/4 of the board. but i still have chance to comeback.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:21 pm
by Kirby
I guess I should think about this for a bit before mindlessly playing the 3-3...

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:47 pm
by cdybeijing
I don't see anywhere on the board where white is making meaningful points other than lower left.

White is still in shock but will resign within five moves I think.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:01 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
I think that Magicwand is missing a kikashi as shown below. It is sente for white. But if black ever gets a chance to play it, he could start chopping white apart.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O W . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:22 pm
by Magicwand
i made terrorable mistake on the bottom.
i guess this what i mean by getting old.
but i play to win. i will try to find a way to comeback.

analysis:
lower black point is about 60 points.
lower white point is i will guess about 20 points.
i have thickness in the middle that will help me make things complicated on top.
all i need is to capture one group using that thickness.
it is hard to do but i dont think it is impossible.

black has weakness at "a" and "b". white is connected to marked stone so it is very thick.
i will see if he answer the corner.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm61 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . 6 7 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 9 . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . W . W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:45 am
by Violence
In my experience, never underestimate the stronger player when they have nothing to lose.

The game isn't over until you see the gg.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:18 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm61 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think it's worth it to play 3-3.

I was unsure before about Magicwand's plans, but I think I am winning now. Maybe I am about 20 points ahead, considering the original handicap. I can only assume that Magicwand's earlier tenuki was a mistake.

If that's the case, it's too bad, I guess. Both winning and losing are not satisfying.

Either way, I hope for a thought provoking game from here on out.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:26 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm61 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 7 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]