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Magicwand(4d) vs Emerus (2k)

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Re: Magicwand(4d) vs Emerus (2k)

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:12 am
by emerus
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . O X X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O O X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X O . . . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . X . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . O O O . O X . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O X . . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X . X X , . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O . O X X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O O X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X X X X X X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
As planned... honestly I'm a little surprised that this has gone so well because white played such good looking moves all game long.

We'll see, there is still room for complications. (and dumb blunders by black)
Any idea why only some of my diagrams appear? Is it just my browser?

Re: Magicwand(4d) vs Emerus (2k)

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:18 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . O X X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O O X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X O . . . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . X . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . O O O . O X . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O X . . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X . X X , . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O . O X X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O O X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X X X X X X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand(4d) vs Emerus (2k)

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:25 am
by emerus
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . O X X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O O X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X O . . . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . X . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . O O O . O X . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O X . . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X . X X , . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O . O X X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O O X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X X X X X X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . O X X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O O X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X O . . . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . X . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . O O O . O X . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O X . . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X . X X , . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O . O X X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O O X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X X X X X X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . a . . . b . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This is potentially a forcing move to protect the invasion at 'a' but... as far as I can tell - white can't live in the middle and the game is over.

If he does live (which I assume he plans to try), then it should be gote and I can still attack the bottom at a or b. I may think about a simple enclosing move at C as well.

Re: Magicwand(4d) vs Emerus (2k)

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:28 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . O X X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O O X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X O . . . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . X . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . O O O . O X . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O X . . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X . X X , . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O . O X X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O O X O . . . . . . X 7 . |
$$ | . X O X X X X X X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand(4d) vs Emerus (2k)

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:39 pm
by Dusk Eagle
@emerus:

You can't have any unnecessary spaces before the $$ characters. That is what is causing your problems in a couple of the diagrams.

Re: Magicwand(4d) vs Emerus (2k)

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:39 pm
by emerus
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . O X X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O O X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X O . . . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . X . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . O O O . O X . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O X . . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X . X X , . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O . O X X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O O X O . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X X X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . O X X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O O X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X O . . . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . X . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . O O O . O X . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O X . . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X . X X , . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O O O O a . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O . O X X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O O X O . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X X X O . . . . . X . b . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
There is some nasty aji around a.... and white is eying it -- Now, I'm sure white is dead in the center, he has 1 eye in sente at l11(threatening l13). What I'm not sure about is the status of the top left so basically if I answer passively and declare victory - what happens if top left is also dead? Could be close...

Protecting directly at A feels slow, B greedy, so C is my choice. I will make absolutely sure that I live here while aiming at cutting his bottom side. :o

Honestly, it's a very difficult move for me to make. First because I do actually dislike being defensive and I also very much dislike playing sub-optimal moves due to positional awareness(It feels a little dishonest to me). But I've seen and learned from enough of Magicwand's games to know that he plays to win and that's what I will do now.

Does anyone else feel the same dislike towards underplaying or overplaying based on your count?

Re: Magicwand(4d) vs Emerus (2k)

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:38 pm
by Loons
I do not see that all of white's centre is dead just because it doesn't have eyes. This may be a deleterious assumption by Emerus. He needs to study more of thecaptain's games.
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . O X X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O O X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X O 1 2 . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X 5 4 X . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . O O O . O X 3 6 O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O X 7 8 . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X . X X 9 . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O O O O a . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O . O X X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O O X O . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X X X O . . . . . X . b . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm101 Still difficult
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . O X X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O O X . X 5 . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X O 1 3 4 O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . 2 X . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . O O O . O X . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O X . . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X . X X , . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O O O O a . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O . O X X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O O X O . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X X X O . . . . . X . b . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand(4d) vs Emerus (2k)

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:52 pm
by explo
@ Loons
4@6 in your first diagram seems more promising.

Re: Magicwand(4d) vs Emerus (2k)

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:12 pm
by Loons
Oops. Good catch.

Re: Magicwand(4d) vs Emerus (2k)

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:55 pm
by emerus
Oops, now I'm getting malkovich paranoia. The comments come flowing when the players miss something critical and this is a very critical moment. :-?

Re: Magicwand(4d) vs Emerus (2k)

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:33 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . O X X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O O X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X O . . . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . X . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . O O O . O X . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O X . . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X . X X , . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 9 X O O O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O . O X X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O O X O . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X X X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand(4d) vs Emerus (2k)

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:22 pm
by emerus
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . O X X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O O X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X O . . . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . X . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . O O O . O X . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O X . . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X 0 X X , . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X O O O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O . O X X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O O X O . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X X X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm still not seeing it and I've been very surprised with the past few variations.

Re: Magicwand(4d) vs Emerus (2k)

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:29 pm
by emerus

Re: Magicwand(4d) vs Emerus (2k)

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:28 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . O X X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O O X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X O . . . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . X . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . O O O . O X . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O X . . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X X X , . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X O O O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O . O X X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O O X O . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X X X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand(4d) vs Emerus (2k)

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:36 am
by Magicwand
i totally misread the middle..
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