i only can think of one possible variation for black... see below.
i dont see him jumpin in my influence and surive. from my assessment of my opponent..he if not willing to take any risk which is his weakness. i am curious to see how he will handle my influence. if he doesnt effectively diminish my influence he will lose for sure.
$$Bcm61 PRISONERS B:1 W:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O 8 . . . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O 7 . . . . . . . X O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm61 PRISONERS B:1 W:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O 7 . . . . . . . X O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This seems slow but not playing it would be greedy. The center is also erased (remember he has forcing moves there). He takes top I take bottom and vice versa so miai. I just have to maintain my lead.
Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 2:59 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm61 PRISONERS B:1 W:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . X O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This move is too weird for me to have made it up, I assure you There are a few pro games with it (Cho Chikun for example). If I live at the top (and I should or at least make points in the center), then I win.
Also I'll show you the variations AFTER it's all said and done
Magicwand will probably diss me for it, oh well.
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 8:02 pm
by EdLee
yithril,
yithril wrote:This move is too weird for me to have made it up, I assure you
is pretty annoying.
Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 8:13 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
For obs:
Magicwand wrote:...i will comment when it is time for me to comment. i will hide my reading that my opponent is missing until he realize it and too late to fix it . observers.. please be patient and understand.
yithril wrote:... I'll show you the variations AFTER it's all said and done...
WTF?? Are they both taking for granted that the other guy is going to peek? Doesn't anyone trust anybody else around here any more?
Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:02 pm
by Magicwand
$$Bcm61 PRISONERS B:1 W:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 0 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . X O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm71 PRISONERS B:1 W:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . 2 b . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . a X . 5 O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , 4 3 X . X , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . X O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:23 pm
by jts
@magicwand:
What are your goals on the top? What do you have to have, coming out of this sequence, to win?
Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:18 pm
by Magicwand
jts wrote:@magicwand:
What are your goals on the top? What do you have to have, coming out of this sequence, to win?
it seems that the group on top is very hard to kill (i didnt think his last move was correct i would have played one more space) all i am intrested in is thickness in the middle and sente. i think my thickness will speak for itself later. black has possible territory but not solid yet.
There are a few pro games with it (Cho Chikun for example). If I live at the top (and I should or at least make points in the center), then I win.
is pretty annoying. 
. observers.. please be patient and understand.
would make the cut more dangerous after some preliminaries around a/b. I'm not sure--having trouble reading things out in detail.