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Kaya.gs wrote:

palapiku wrote:Why not just call it Kaya rather than Kaya.gs? You're almost intentionally going for a name clash with KGS. Also ".gs" looks pretty weird.

I invite you to reserve the kaya.com domain, then pass it on to me.

Naming it so makes it easier to find the website . Plus come on, Kaya.gs rocks. Very web 2.0.

Oh, I can't believe it took me this long to notice, but kaya go server and kaya.gs are very close as an acronym to the K Go Server/KGS.

Please, please, please choose a name less likely to cause confusion. Changing the first word of the server name from "K" to "Kaya" is much too close. I would never have named KGS anything that shared an acronym with an existing server.

wms wrote:

Kaya.gs wrote:

palapiku wrote:Why not just call it Kaya rather than Kaya.gs? You're almost intentionally going for a name clash with KGS. Also ".gs" looks pretty weird.

I invite you to reserve the kaya.com domain, then pass it on to me.

Naming it so makes it easier to find the website . Plus come on, Kaya.gs rocks. Very web 2.0.

Oh, I can't believe it took me this long to notice, but kaya go server and kaya.gs are very close as an acronym to the K Go Server/KGS.

Please, please, please choose a name less likely to cause confusion. Changing the first word of the server name from "K" to "Kaya" is much too close. I would never have named KGS anything that shared an acronym with an existing server.

As far as the name goes, we were first going to be called zen.gs, to prevent this very potential confusion. We also went around BGS (Browser Go Server).

Between what we liked and domain restrictions, and logo, and so on, we decided on Kaya. For those that dont know, Kaya is the tree used to make Gobans.

The fact that it took you a while to notice is because we never wrote or meant Kaya.gs to be named as an acronym or anything else. Actually saying just Kaya is shorter than the confusing acronym.

We kept the .gs on the name, so people wouldnt try kaya.com, which we dont own. I believe , wms, that we wont have any issue or confusion at hand, people will naturally call KGS KGS, and Kaya.gs either Kaya or Kaya.gs. The dis-ambiguation will be obvious.

A suggestion, then: Don't call it "Kaya Go Server" on your webpage. Make it "Kaya.gs: play go online" or some such. Otherwise, people are bound to start abbreviating you as KGS, too.

Also, "__GS" is way overused by go servers...

I agree that kaya is a great name, and thank you for never abbreviating away the "kaya". But abbreviations happen, and I would feel more comfortable if you got any other TLD. A bunch more will open up, Something like "kaya.game," for example, might be possible before too long, and that of course will eliminate any chance of confusion.

Edit: I wonder if "k.gs" is available. Wouldn't that be cool!

Edit #2: Damn, you must have three letters at least before the ".gs". So much for that.

This is not my project, of course, but I was trying to brainstorm for something other than "Go Server," because I like the Kaya name (and I like the complimentary aesthetic/feel the website currently has), and something other than "go server" might convey the broader goal of the project. But I couldn't think of anything good , otherwise I would (humbly) offer suggestions for your consideration.

Since "Kaya" is so short (only one letter longer than "KGS"), people may just stick to "Kaya." Even so, if the name is "Kaya Go Server," I can definitely see newcomers getting confused.

For my part, I love KGS, and that isn't likely to change. But I also spend some time on other servers, and I may well abandon those after this project gets running.

judicata wrote:For my part, I love KGS, and that isn't likely to change. But I also spend some time on other servers, and I may well abandon those after this project gets running.

My sentiments exactly. Regarding naming, I have thought since the beginning that the inevitable 'KGS' shortening of Kaya.gs is the most unfortunate thing I've heard about the server (really, the only unfortunate bit). I don't know what name to recommend, now that the domain name is purchased and such, but it's not what I'd call ideal.

judicata wrote:This is not my project, of course, but I was trying to brainstorm for something other than "Go Server," because I like the Kaya name (and I like the complimentary aesthetic/feel the website currently has), and something other than "go server" might convey the broader goal of the project. But I couldn't think of anything good

Reading this, the first thing that came to mind was "go center," however, according to this wikipedia list of TLD's, there isn't currently a .gc TLD, so that wouldn't work. Looking at the list of avaible .g_ domains, a few other possibilities came to mind, but mostly things I wouldn't want to repeat (for shame). The best of the bunch is "go lounge" (with a .gl TLD).

"go server" is just so natural, though. :/

daniel_the_smith wrote:A suggestion, then: Don't call it "Kaya Go Server" on your webpage. Make it "Kaya.gs: play go online" or some such. Otherwise, people are bound to start abbreviating you as KGS, too.

Also, "__GS" is way overused by go servers...

I whole-heartedly agree. Polly is changing it right now. That logo was done quite a while a go, and was meant to be low-profile, as it will probably change in the near future .

Edit: fixed check it out.

wms wrote:Edit: I wonder if "k.gs" is available. Wouldn't that be cool!

I was very dissapointed to find bgs.com was a lawering firm, and variations of zen--.gs sold tea.

The difference in availability on .gs is astounding compared to the overly-saturated .com. I think many spin-offs from the server that wish smaller domains will do similar stuff.

The problem with absolutely free domains (kaya.game) is that its a total steal. U have to pay 100s of thousands to get them.
It seems that those that makes the rule noted people making money on cybersquatting, and chose to make the biggest steal themselves -.-.

Kaya.gs wrote:

palapiku wrote:Why not just call it Kaya rather than Kaya.gs? You're almost intentionally going for a name clash with KGS. Also ".gs" looks pretty weird.

I invite you to reserve the kaya.com domain, then pass it on to me.

Naming it so makes it easier to find the website . Plus come on, Kaya.gs rocks. Very web 2.0.

Well, KGS is not on KGS.com, and people don't seem to have a trouble finding it. And even if it were on KGS.com, it's still named KGS and not KGS.com.

And you're right, "Kaya.gs" is extremely web 2.0. To the point that I would be embarrassed to pronounce it in spoken conversation. Really, "I played some go yesterday on kaya-dot-gee-ess"?

It seems disrespectful to choose a name for your server that is similar to an existing one. Not only that but to also use that same server to advertise your new server heavily.

palapiku wrote:Well, KGS is not on KGS.com, and people don't seem to have a trouble finding it. And even if it were on KGS.com, it's still named KGS and not KGS.com.

That's part of the problem, isn't it? I know when I first heard of "KGS" I googled it to find the website. Now, if kaya.gs starts to build steam it is likely a search for "KGS" might result in both KGS and kaya.gs coming up as top results. Don't you think this would damage word-of-mouth advertising as, no matter what, mentioning KGS will also bring up kaya.gs? It seems like the creators of kaya.gs might be trying to piggyback on the popularity of KGS (twice, by advertising on it and having a name similar to it).

palapiku wrote:

Kaya.gs wrote:

palapiku wrote:Why not just call it Kaya rather than Kaya.gs? You're almost intentionally going for a name clash with KGS. Also ".gs" looks pretty weird.

I invite you to reserve the kaya.com domain, then pass it on to me.

Naming it so makes it easier to find the website . Plus come on, Kaya.gs rocks. Very web 2.0.

Well, KGS is not on KGS.com, and people don't seem to have a trouble finding it. And even if it were on KGS.com, it's still named KGS and not KGS.com.

And you're right, "Kaya.gs" is extremely web 2.0. To the point that I would be embarrassed to pronounce it in spoken conversation. Really, "I played some go yesterday on kaya-dot-gee-ess"?

I expect I would refer to it as the Kaya Go Server, or just Kaya if the meaning was clear from context. I suspect most other people would do the same.

Lets settle this topic the Kaya.gs way. You guys can get into the site and add the suggestion on the feedback tab, and people will vote on it. If people want it we will consider making an adjustment. Comments there are easier to track and relate than this big thread that treats many different aspects of the project.

So voice your opinions http://kaya.gs!

I appreciate all your feedback, specially WMS for being so respectful in a request that could be so easily be misunderstood.

I hope to learn a lot from him and from KGS and his input will be very valuable to us.

Note that our objective in this phase of the project is getting as much support as we can so we can develop the best first version we can do. And we want to involve the community right from the start, giving supporters the opportunity to be recognized for their support and the faith they put on us.

So again, as posted in the beginning, if you want to believe in this project and want to participate in helping it grow, help us either with support, by telling other people or any other way you want.

People can be so petty.

"Kaya", "the Kaya server", and even "kaya gee ess" work perfectly fine in spoken conversation. Kaya is faster to pronounce than "KGS". Kaya is also about as fast to type as KGS. There is no need for an acronym. Other servers need acronyms because they have no sensible names. "Internet Go Server"? How do you shorten that. Same for online-go.com, etc. KGS once stood for "Kiseido Go Server", didn't it? This is still not so helpful because it's "the go server by Kiseido", not "the go server called Kiseido", so you couldn't just call it "Kiseido" either. Now it seems that KGS is a recursive acronym (as the website calls it "The KGS Go Server". Basically, the "acronyms" have become the normal names of these servers.

On the other hand, who uses an acronym for Tygem, or WBaduk? Those servers have sensible, unique, and reasonably short names, so there is no need for an acronym. Same for Kaya. Sure, as the name of a wood it is not _that_ unique, but still rare enough to stand on its own most of the time based on context. When required, it is easy to specify by adding the domain extension.

There is also no chance whatsoever that Google is going to confuse KGS with Kaya.gs. If you expect this, you really don't give Google enough credit for their algorithms. The only way this could even be remotely possible is if KGS would disappear into complete obscurity, but if that were to happen, it wouldn't be Kaya piggy-backing on KGS' popularity, but the other way around.

And even if some newbie would be to make the mistake of calling it KGS once or twice, you can be sure that he would quickly stand corrected, as the real KGS is not likely to disappear from the public consciousness anytime soon.

Kaya.gs is a fine name, one that sounds a lot more harmonious than all of the alternatives that have been suggested so far. Let's not be petty about the initial letter.

People can be so petty.

I don't think the time and effort put into making KGS popular is trivial.

There is also no chance whatsoever that Google is going to confuse KGS with Kaya.gs.

This is assuming people don't start abbreviating it KGS. Aside from your assurances, this remains to be seen. Unfortunately, if it occurs it will then be too late to change it.

danielm wrote:Other servers need acronyms because they have no sensible names.

Battle.net, an online gaming server, is perfectly sensible, but most people call it "Bnet" (so much so that googling Bnet returns Battle.net over BNET, a CBS business network).

Battle.net => Bnet
Kaya.gs => Kgs

danielm wrote:On the other hand, who uses an acronym for Tygem, or WBaduk? Those servers have sensible, unique, and reasonably short names, so there is no need for an acronym. Same for Kaya. Sure, as the name of a wood it is not _that_ unique, but still rare enough to stand on its own most of the time based on context. When required, it is easy to specify by adding the domain extension.

2chan, a Japanese imageboard, is sensible, unique, and just as short, but people still abbreviate it as "2ch".