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Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:31 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm51 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 0 O 9 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Actually, I think this is maybe better than extending... nice and thick, and now I can push through and keep him eyeless...

Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:24 pm
by speedchase
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[go]$$Bcm61 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X 1 O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:33 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm61 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X 1 O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This one feels like a no-brainer ... need to start thinking carefully about how to best take advantage of this soon though... I don't want to force Black to eat up my left side points, and I don't want this group to come under attack either

Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:01 pm
by speedchase
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[go]$$Bcm61 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My shape is terrible, but his is pretty bad also.

unfortunately I'm weak here, so it gives him a better advantage.

Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:15 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm61 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 4 . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Again, a no-brainer, but if he extends, I need to decide what to do more carefully:

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[go]$$Bcm61 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . b b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . a . . a . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . d O O . . . |
$$ | . b b O . . . a . . a . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 4 . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . O . O O O c . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The area marked "a" is potentially useful territory for him, and if I keep pushing I can invade it quite happily. Of course, to do so will sacrifice points around "b". On top of that, the group I'm currently pushing with is weak, and although I can settle it with "c", I don't want to kill my two stones above "c" without a fight, so settling by moving into the area at "a" may be useful to prevent me losing those stones. "c" is still just big in its own right though, and I have other ways of making a move against him later with a move like "d". However, on a purely points basis, things are looking really quite good for me with that corner exchange, and I really need to avoid upping the stakes too far. I could have a mutual disconnection thing going on if I ignore his next extension:

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[go]$$Bcm61 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 5 7 8 . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 4 9 X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . O . O O O 6 . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But as :w70: and the marked White stone are both rather endangered, this is a really risky sort of idea to try. :w68: @ :w69: may well be good enough, as it creates some serious issues in his position:

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[go]$$Bcm61 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 5 7 9 0 . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 4 8 X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . O . O O O 6 . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But, once he fixes, :w70: is just floating. As a result, I'm tempted to push one further:

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[go]$$Bcm61 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O 7 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 5 6 . 0 . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 4 . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is probably my current plan, as a wedge leads to a tricky position for both of us, but as his big dragon has no eyes, I may be able to get away with playing the atari from the top:

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[go]$$Bcm71 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 5 7 . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 4 . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X 2 . b . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O 1 O . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O 3 X 0 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X a . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O 8 9 . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The problem is now I'm thin everywhere, and even though he's got issues, I think I have more. Playing the atari on the other side is safe:

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[go]$$Bcm71 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O 1 O . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O 2 X 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I now kill his lower dragon, this is obviously game winning for me, but the outcome of this shape is far from clear in my eyes. Currently, this is my best plan I think, but it's really too tricky reading-wise for me to have any confidence in it.

Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:01 pm
by speedchase
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm61 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is the sequence I expect

I misread the net before playing my last move. this is essentially a one way street he has to play :w1: the other nets fail. I think if he plays this I will resign.
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[go]$$Wcm1 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 1 . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . 5 O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 X . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:22 am
by illluck
@speedchase: do you mean to play E10?

Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:44 am
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm61 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 5 6 . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If so, that's my response ...

Interestingly, and for observers that can see I'm both making broken shape and toothpaste squeezing. My logic is that it keeps him weak enough that he's forced to toothpaste squeeze me back into his territory, with greater losses for him than I'm going to suffer on the left side - that's the theory anyway.

Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:23 am
by speedchase
I did, sorry

Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:45 am
by Sur
@topazg
What is toothpaste squeeze? ;-)

Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:34 pm
by hyperpape
Sur & Topazg

Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:24 am
by speedchase
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm61 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:42 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm61 W:0 B:0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As planned ...

Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:05 am
by lightvector
White might have overstretched himself slightly, as there is a remaining weakness in white's position.

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[go]$$B Weakness
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . 3 . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . 1 O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . 2 O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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[go]$$B Can't cut.
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 6 5 X O . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . 7 X 4 X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . O O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's not overly serious if white doesn't try to cut :b3: off, but it does mean that white's left side is a bit smaller than it looks.

Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:30 am
by speedchase
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[go]$$Bcm61 W:0 B:0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 9 . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm61 W:0 B:0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . b . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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