[go]$$Bcm67 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . O X . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . 3 . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . X X O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O O . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . O O X O O X . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Builds a moyo of my own while putting pressure on his weak side group. A hane at Q15 would be a decent follow-up. I don't think I can kill the group but I can chase it a little perhaps or make him make eyeshape in gote.
Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:53 am
by jts
@boidhre
Generally a hane refers to a diagonal attachment move when you're left with a cutting point. The move you're referring to is generally called a "turn". As no doubt knew already, they have slightly different implications.
Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:55 am
by Boidhre
jts wrote:@boidhre
Generally a hane refers to a diagonal attachment move when you're left with a cutting point. The move you're referring to is generally called a "turn". As no doubt knew already, they have slightly different implications.
Thanks jts, I did not know the distinction in terms.
Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:58 am
by Drewch
$$Bcm67 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . O X . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . 2 . . . . 4 . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . 3 . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . X X O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O O . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . O O X O O X . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm67 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . O X . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . 4 . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . X X O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O O . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . O O X O O X . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Reduces his moyo, sketches out something of a framework for myself, though I will have to reduce the bottom "moyo" (I'm not sure if it is one) to finish the job. I have the ladder in case he tries to cut the knight's jump.
Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:47 am
by EdLee
Boidhre,
Boidhre wrote:A hane at Q15 would be a decent follow-up.
jts wrote:Generally a hane refers to a diagonal attachment move when you're left with a cutting point. The move you're referring to is generally called a "turn".
Boidhre wrote:Thanks jts, I did not know the distinction in terms.
You probably already know this: in general -- except for the usual infinite exceptions -- the Q15 solid turn shape is much thicker than the hane. For example, in this standard sequence, connecting at (a) is a big move for B; likewise, if tenuki, then cutting at (a) is also a big move for W. ( connecting at (a) changes the hane shape to the solid "turn" shape.)
jts wrote:As no doubt knew already, they have slightly different implications.
Perhaps jts was being modest, but in general (again except for the infinite exceptions ), the implications are much more than "slightly".
Re:
Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:52 am
by Boidhre
EdLee wrote:Boidhre,
Boidhre wrote:A hane at Q15 would be a decent follow-up.
jts wrote:Generally a hane refers to a diagonal attachment move when you're left with a cutting point. The move you're referring to is generally called a "turn".
Boidhre wrote:Thanks jts, I did not know the distinction in terms.
You probably already know this: in general -- except for the usual infinite exceptions -- the Q15 solid turn shape is much thicker than the hane. For example, in this standard sequence, connecting at (a) is a big move for B; likewise, if tenuki, then cutting at (a) is also a big move for W. ( connecting at (a) changes the hane shape to the solid "turn" shape.)
[go]$$Bcm67 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . O X . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . 7 . 4 . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . X X O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O O . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . O O X O O X . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Decisions, decisions. If I go into his moyo I disrupt a lot more than he can disrupt but I get cut off from my closest neighbouring stone and my "connection" to my bottom centre group is very weak.
However I think he is forced to cut if I nobe south:
$$Bcm67 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . O X . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . 9 . 4 . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . 7 8 X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . X X O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O O . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . O O X O O X . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm77 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . O X . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . X O O . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . 2 X 4 O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . X 3 O . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O 5 . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . X X O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O O . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . O O X O O X . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Where the ladder works.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 12:53 am
by EdLee
is impossible.
Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 8:36 pm
by Marcus
My first thought when I saw was "OW!OW!OW!OW!OW!OW!OW!OW! ..."
Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:08 pm
by Boidhre
This has been pretty dead due to Drewch moving house and all that stress and hassle in his life, but for the record I'm putting this on hold until in a mentally more sound place. Sorry all (not that you'll be missing much with how I've been playing here!!).
connecting at (a) is a big move for B;
cutting at (a) is also a big move for W.
is impossible. 