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#184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

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Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:54 pm
by tomukaze
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[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . 2 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . 1 . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I want to see what he wants :twisted:

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:15 pm
by tomukaze
:w61: = Image or Image ???

I wonder... :scratch:

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:16 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . 3 . 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . 2 . 6 7 . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . 8 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . 1 . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Maybe?

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:32 am
by EdLee
topazg wrote:
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[go]$$Wm59
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . 3 . 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . 2 . 6 7 . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . 8 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . 1 . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |[/go]
Maybe?
Dunno; Go is too difficult. :scratch:
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . 3 2 . W . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |[/go]
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . 2 . . W . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |[/go]
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . 3 . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 1 . W . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |[/go]

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:51 am
by Boidhre
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[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 4 . 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm probably looking at this all wrong and being too passive but here's the thinking behind my move. Tom might on the other hand jump into the corner and start a ko. Gah, I feel particularly weak responding to this move because I'm lost with what to do with this board position.

I don't like this:
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[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . 5 7 . . 3 . 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X 6 2 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . 1 . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This leaves a and b as "vital points" between the two weak groups:

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[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 4 . 3 . 7 5 6 . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . 2 . b . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . a . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . 1 . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If my centre left group wasn't so weak I might try this exchange of life for outside influence:
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[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . 3 5 7 8 . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . 2 . 4 6 . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . 1 . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:01 am
by tomukaze
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[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 4 . 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:20 am
by tomukaze
Observers:

I expect him to play 3-3 next, and then I will probably play one of the 65s below:
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[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 4 . 3 . 7 . 6 . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . 7 . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 4 . 3 . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 4 . 3 . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . 7 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 4 . 3 . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . 5 7 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 4 . 3 . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . 7 . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 4 . 3 . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I haven't quite decided yet but I am leaning towards

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[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . 8 7 . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 4 . 3 . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

However :w67: doesn't affect black so I have to think of a better move for :w67: to keep sente.

It might just be better to play

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . 8 7 . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 4 . 3 . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . 9 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But then black has a nice double attack with :b68:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . 8 7 . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 4 . 3 . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . 0 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . 9 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Ahhhhhhhhhh :o :o :o this game is difficult :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch:

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:23 am
by Marcus
Observers:

I'd probably do this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . 6 . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 4 . 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I like to fight, though. :D

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:02 am
by Boidhre
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . O . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:13 am
by tomukaze
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . 7 . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . O . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . . , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:29 pm
by EdLee
Boidhre,
About :b64:, what were your other candidates, if any?

About :b48:,
Boidhre wrote:I believe the hane followed up by b would have been better. I didn't hane because I made a really dumb misread.
Post #395, your :w18: -- viewtopic.php?f=48&t=5645&start=380
Post #471, your :b18: -- viewtopic.php?f=48&t=5645&start=460
Post #613, Tom's :w18: -- viewtopic.php?f=48&t=5645&start=600
(If I were a numerologist, I'd say something about 18. :))

Re:

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:08 pm
by Boidhre
EdLee wrote:Boidhre,
About :b64:, what were your other candidates, if any?

About :b48:,
Boidhre wrote:I believe the hane followed up by b would have been better. I didn't hane because I made a really dumb misread.
Post #395, your :w18: -- http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewto ... &start=380
Post #471, your :b18: -- http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewto ... &start=460
Post #613, Tom's :w18: -- http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewto ... &start=600
(If I were a numerologist, I'd say something about 18. :))


Ed,

Nice find on the :w18: :b18:. Definitely a blind spot of mine.

I didn't really consider many other moves for :b64: because of the white group below my group. I didn't want a weak group tucked into that corner of the board. Though I'm probably missing something big or looking at this completely wrongly.

Re: Re:

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:12 pm
by EdLee
Boidhre,
Boidhre wrote:Nice find on the :w18: :b18:. Definitely a blind spot of mine.
I have trouble with many other shapes, but not the above hane. I don't know why.
I was shown it once and I remembered it forever, just like not pushing through a bamboo joint:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ . . . . . . .
$$ . . O O . . .
$$ . X 1 . . . .
$$ . . O O . . .
$$ . . . . . . .[/go]
I don't know why some shapes are easier for me to learn than others.
Maybe other more knowledgeable people (neurologists?) can help.

I don't know what works for you on this hane. Drill it 100 times a day? I dunno. :scratch:

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:19 pm
by Boidhre
Ed,

Hopefully having it explicitly pointed out as a blind spot will help. :)

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:18 pm
by Boidhre
Observers:

I'm taking so long because I'm at a kind of crossroads in my go thinking and am actively looking for moves that I can ignore. This is warring with a passive streak in me that's begging me to block and coming up with all kinds of reasons to justify it. The disadvantage of games with no time limit is that you can take forever overthinking things. Ah well, I'll move soon.


Tom,

Sorry about the delay, I'll move soon.
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