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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:40 pm
by shapenaji
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if you dont attack your opponent right way you will lose points.
that is exactly what is happening.. bad attack leaves aji so he doesnt even get influence out of that attack.
i can feel that he is desperate. i think he will resign soon.



Hahahaha, oh boy, Magicwand just isn't really familiar with Violence's play style is he? MW may win, but for violence, this is where it gets interesting.

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:48 am
by Joaz Banbeck
@Magicwand:
Magicwand wrote:...if you dont attack your opponent right way you will lose points.
that is exactly what is happening.. bad attack leaves aji so he doesnt even get influence out of that attack.


What would have been a good attack? Where would you have played any of black's last 3 moves?

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:06 am
by Magicwand
Joaz Banbeck wrote:@Magicwand:
Magicwand wrote:...if you dont attack your opponent right way you will lose points.
that is exactly what is happening.. bad attack leaves aji so he doesnt even get influence out of that attack.


What would have been a good attack? Where would you have played any of black's last 3 moves?


my group is stronger than it appear to be.
such group is better left alone.
i already read from other post that Violence will attack violently if given a chance.
i will not leave my group unsafe against such players.
i tenukied because i had lifeline(marked stones).
my group is pretty much alive because of marked white stones.
i dont know what is the correct answer but what he played seems wrong and akward to me.
if you count points... i am already winning not counting komi.
i think my tenuki was a straw that broke the camel's back.
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:04 am
by Violence
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I think that as long as I keep him separated, I have the advantage here.

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:18 am
by Magicwand
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:19 am
by Violence
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:27 am
by Magicwand
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:30 am
by Violence
Congrats on your 1000th post after you reply.

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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:39 am
by Magicwand
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:48 am
by Violence
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:49 am
by Magicwand
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:55 am
by Violence
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Show me your eyes.

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:59 am
by ethanb
Violence wrote:
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Show me your eyes.


Seems to me not that easy to kill.
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White might have to give a little up, but I don't see the whole group dying.

EDIT: Ah-ha, the attachment at A is sente. Well, that could make a difference...

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:47 pm
by Magicwand
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:15 pm
by Violence
Ack... my boss is stepping things up. I'm getting more and more busy.

I don't think I can move until Monday.