[go]$$Wcm78 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . 1 . X O . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . B . O X X . O . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
After some reading here, I think my best option here is to fight. If it turns into a running battle, I can aim for the cut at K9, and I think I can prevent graemy from settling easily here. My connection should be sente, so, I'm not worried about being cut here. I cannot play passively here, since in solid territory I'm quite behind; I need this attack to profit.
"It has cost me much, but I have learned... Lemon need not squeeze lemon to survive..!"
[go]$$Wcm82 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . W . O . X O . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 5 O . X . O X X . O . . O , X . . | $$ | . 6 2 3 . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I can play in the corner, most likely in gote. Then he can play on the outside first. If he gives me sente, then I can play on the outside and I will be leading.
$$Wcm82 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . b . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . c . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . a . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . W . O . X O . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O X X . O . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm82 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . b . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . c . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . a . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . W . O . X O . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O X X . O . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Or, I could approach his corner first. Maybe I could take sente to then play in the bottom left corner. Or, if he plays in the corner to take territory, then I get a second move on the outside.
I'm having trouble deciding between these two ideas.
[go]$$Wcm84 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . O . X O . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O X X . O . . O , X . . | $$ | . . B 1 . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bcm85 Captures: B=0 W=0\n\n The squares are ko threats that I can find. Black has more threats that are quite a pain,\n but I think these are the only ones I must respond to for sure. This ko is worth about 40+ points from my count\n which makes it too big to ignore. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O # O Z O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O Z O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O Z Z O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . @ Y O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . @ X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X Y X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . O @ X O . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X Y O . . Q # . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O X X . O . . O , X . . | $$ | . . X W Y X O . O . X . O Q . O O X . | $$ | . 3 . 1 2 Y @ . . . . X Q # . . . X . | $$ | . . 5 4 @ . . . . . . . # . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm85 Captures: B=0 W=0\n\n The squares are ko threats that I can find. Black has more threats that are quite a pain,\n but I think these are the only ones I must respond to for sure. This ko is worth about 40+ points from my count\n which makes it too big to ignore. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O # O Z O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O Z O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O Z Z O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . @ Y O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . @ X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X Y X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . O @ X O . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X Y O . . Q # . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O X X . O . . O , X . . | $$ | . . X W Y X O . O . X . O Q . O O X . | $$ | . 3 . 1 2 Y @ . . . . X Q # . . . X . | $$ | . . 5 4 @ . . . . . . . # . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
"It has cost me much, but I have learned... Lemon need not squeeze lemon to survive..!"
[go]$$Wcm84 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . O . X O . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O X X . O . . O , X . . | $$ | . . X O . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think I might play the ko out...mostly on a whim I think it'll be fun, it's probably not the best thing to do. I'll probably have to take two moves somewhere else.
$$Wcm86 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . O . X O . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O X X . O . . O , X . . | $$ | . . X O . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm86 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . O . X O . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O X X . O . . O , X . . | $$ | . . X O . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I keep changing my mind :I My plan is to get him to play on the left and then maybe I'll invade or try to build up the center.
$$Wcm88 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . B . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . O . X O . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O X X . O . . O , X . . | $$ | . . X O . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm88 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . B . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . O . X O . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O X X . O . . O , X . . | $$ | . . X O . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I really didn't think graemy would tenuki here... But I realized I can give up the corner in sente, so at worst I have a ko in the corner. I think in this case I can't take gote here, even for a huge move. It's not any smaller than the top left corner, so this should be smaller.
"It has cost me much, but I have learned... Lemon need not squeeze lemon to survive..!"
uriel wrote:I think in this case I can't take gote here, even for a huge move. It's not any smaller than the top left corner, so this should be smaller.
I'm a little confused by this statement in conjunction with the one-space jump, as I gather that tends to end in gote compared to the small-knight's move.
$$Wcm88 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . O . X O . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O X X . O . . O , X . . | $$ | . . X O . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm88 Captures: B=0 W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X X O O X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O O X X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . O . X O . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O X X . O . . O , X . . | $$ | . . X O . X O . O . X . O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think it'll be fun, it's probably not the best thing to do. I'll probably have to take two moves somewhere else.