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#245 Kirby vs. paK0

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Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:48 am
by Kirby
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Thought about tenuki, but I think it’s worth continuing.

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:54 am
by Kirby
There was some study I read about where participants got to select a poster that they wanted to keep, given a few choices. In one group, that was all there was to it. In the second group, they were required to explain their choice.

Six months later, both groups were surveyed on whether they liked their choice. The group that provided explanations for their choice didn’t like their posters as much as the group that just picked based on instinct.

Sometimes, the curse of Malkovich game is the push to explain your decisions in a logical manner. Logic is a good thing, but some ability or strength comes from intuition or unexplainable factors.

On the other hand, bad habits and moves are also often difficult to explain with logic.

How does one distinguish between the two cases?

Not really sure... :scratch:

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:32 am
by paK0
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Not much of a choice here I think, though I'm surprised he didn't play C2, that's more complicated, which should benefit him.

I guess he'll clamp next, so I should start thinking about weather to descend or connect.


Sidenote: Now that I did not play it, I looked up the attachment in response to his approach, seems like it has a rather straightforward variation and would have likely been a better response.
Small regrets, but at least I learned something.

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:49 pm
by Kirby
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Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:55 am
by paK0
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I don't think I can feasably descend here. Because of his stones on top I have no good response to B4. At least not one that I am comfortable with. I should have postponed looking up the variation I omitted until after the game, I'm feeling less and less good about this.

Next I think he will connect out and I'll need to think of a followup. I think I can no longer just be satisfied with the corner, maybe switching to the outside and aiming at K8 is a better plan. If I can keep him to one eye in the corner then something like F3 is worth looking at.

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:05 am
by Kirby
Almost posted h3 out of instinct, but I decided attaching is at least worth considering.

Besides- I'm not in good shape right now. I have insomnia, and need to wake up in 5 hours.

Maybe I should stop using my phone.

I'm a pretty illogical guy, I guess.

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:11 am
by dfan
Black seems pretty unconcerned about the left side.

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:25 pm
by Kirby
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Let's keep things simple. Still tired from last night, but what else is new?

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:19 am
by paK0
Not unexpected, the most straightforward reply would be the iron pillar, but I think I have quite a few options here, so I'll take some time to read them out.

Besides, I have to make sure my corner is safe before I start locking up the right.

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:43 am
by paK0
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This isn't really a good move, more like the least terrible that I can come up with.

Iron pillar and tenuki are out, I just don't think my corner could handle either (I really wish I was better at reading x.X)

I looked at all the moves around the F4 area, and all of them look slow and weak. I also coudnn't find anything good that guarantees that I can cut him if he tenukies.

This one seems ok at least, its fast and if he tries to cut either of the large knights I get some more moves against his stones at the bottom.

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:36 pm
by Kirby
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His move is a little loose - not totally connecting his groups, and I don't see a strong purpose.

Since he didn't answer on bottom I will.

I considered a rush invasion, but I don't want to sacrifice my stones.

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:54 pm
by paK0
J4 is my gut reaction, but after that I think he will just cut me. I think I'll look at J5 first.

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:53 am
by paK0
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I couldn't see anything immediately terrible, though I feel like this whole area is a mess.

If he finds a way to slaughter everything there I won't be surprised.

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:35 pm
by Kirby
Huh...

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:59 pm
by Kirby
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Trying not to overthink this.
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