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Posted: **Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:28 am**

Rotating is great, thanks!

My only gripe atm is that the program seems to be giving me the same test too often in a row. Although I had rated one joseki with a 5 after the second time around, it showed the test again right away.

Posted: **Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:23 am**

daal wrote:Rotating is great, thanks!

It might mirror positions, too... :twisted:

daal wrote:My only gripe atm is that the program seems to be giving me the same test too often in a row. Although I had rated one joseki with a 5 after the second time around, it showed the test again right away.

Hmm... That definitely shouldn't happen.

Is it possible that you have two extremely similar tests in your queue? And/or, can you find the offending position in your queue more than once?

Or has this happened multiple times? I think I will add some (more) logging...

You should always see a new test the first two days no matter what you select. After that it calculates when to show it again based off of how many times you've seen it and what you've rated it. If you pick 1's and 2's, it could be as little as a few days, and if you pick 5's it could be as much as a few weeks. But this doesn't sound at all like what you're talking about.

Edit: logging added. Let me know if it happens again.

Posted: **Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:32 pm**

daniel_the_smith wrote:Site updated. Links to positions work again. Percentages should now be correct.

Seems it's still not fixed or I am too stupid to understand how it works. When I look at the example below, it seems that looking at the percentages the moves sum up to 112 excluding tenukis. That would mean a total number of 121 for tenukis. Or is this number just valid for the side to move and the remaining 53 tenukis for the other side?

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This position was reached 233 time(s). 

Statistics for this position: 
A (Tenuki): Played 174 times (155.36%) 
B: Played 15 times (13.39%) 
C: Played 13 times (11.61%) 
D: Played 10 times (8.93%) 
E: Played 10 times (8.93%) 
F: Played 7 times (6.25%) 
G: Played 7 times (6.25%) 
H: Played 6 times (5.36%) 
I: Played 5 times (4.46%) 
J: Played 5 times (4.46%) 
K: Played 4 times (3.57%) 
L: Played 4 times (3.57%) 
M: Played 3 times (2.68%) 
N: Played 3 times (2.68%) 
Other marked points: Played 2 times (or

Posted: **Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:52 pm**

karaklis wrote:
daniel_the_smith wrote:Site updated. Links to positions work again. Percentages should now be correct.

Seems it's still not fixed or I am too stupid to understand how it works. When I look at the example below, it seems that looking at the percentages the moves sum up to 112 excluding tenukis. That would mean a total number of 121 for tenukis. Or is this number just valid for the side to move and the remaining 53 tenukis for the other side?

Essentially, yes.

There is a bug which causes the tenuki number to be wrong when positions can be reached with either player to play; it doesn't distinguish between black tenukis and white tenukis, it adds them all together. I haven't fixed that yet (it's separate from the problem that I fixed). So you can't add the tenuki count with the counts for the other moves-- the tenuki count is definitely wrong in this position. You *should* be able to add up all those moves, hit "tenuki" and add all those moves to the total, too, and come up with the number at the top (233).

Even after I fix the tenuki number, you still won't be able to add it to the other numbers-- because players that tenuki might still end up playing next in the position later on.

Posted: **Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:23 am**

Site updated.

It will now email you a reminder if you have study material to review and haven't taken any tests in the past two days.

I hope that won't annoy people too much. If it will annoy you, you can log in and turn the setting off. The first reminder emails won't be sent for a few hours yet...

Posted: **Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:34 am**

Speaking of settings, the website isn't remembering my selection for board size. (Perhaps because I use Opera?).

Posted: **Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:44 am**

daal wrote:Speaking of settings, the website isn't remembering my selection for board size. (Perhaps because I use Opera?).

Hm, can't reproduce (just tried in opera). The setting is stored on the server, so browser shouldn't matter. It is stored per-session (so you can have different settings at different computers). So if you use the site from multiple browsers, you'll have to set it in each one. Also, if you have something that deletes your cookies, that could make it go back to the default. Do either of those things explain it?

Posted: **Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:57 am**

Feature idea: Today I've been noticing that I don't just want to memorize the josekis you present, but also I'd like to explore variations. What I did was to play out the joseki on an .sgf viewer, but of course this was missing the surrounding stones. It would be nice if there were an "explore" button on the study page which would take you out of test mode and allow you to just put stones on the board. It could be so that once clicked, the "explore" button would change to a "return to test" button, that would bring you back to the last position before you deviated.

Posted: **Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:22 am**

daal wrote:Feature idea: Today I've been noticing that I don't just want to memorize the josekis you present, but also I'd like to explore variations. ...

Good idea, I added this to my issue tracker as a proposal.

Posted: **Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:12 am**

daniel_the_smith wrote:
daal wrote:Speaking of settings, the website isn't remembering my selection for board size. (Perhaps because I use Opera?).

Hm, can't reproduce (just tried in opera). The setting is stored on the server, so browser shouldn't matter. It is stored per-session (so you can have different settings at different computers). So if you use the site from multiple browsers, you'll have to set it in each one. Also, if you have something that deletes your cookies, that could make it go back to the default. Do either of those things explain it?

Opera is set to accept cookies for your site so that doesn't seem to be the cause. I also just opened the site in Firefox again, and despite having set the default size to medium this afternoon (and saving), they were back to large. I wouldn't be surprised if the problem was on my end, but I don't know what it could be.

Posted: **Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:39 pm**

daal wrote:Opera is set to accept cookies for your site so that doesn't seem to be the cause. I also just opened the site in Firefox again, and despite having set the default size to medium this afternoon (and saving), they were back to large. I wouldn't be surprised if the problem was on my end, but I don't know what it could be.

I will investigate this...

Posted: **Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:19 pm**

Site updated. I believe I've fixed the case that was causing it to sometimes incorrectly show a test multiple times. Thank you, daal, you were very helpful.

Posted: **Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:52 pm**

Instead of doing things on my list, I did something fun. There's now a link on the browse page that lets you get thumbnails like this one:

You can copy-and-paste code to display them on a web page or here in this forum.

Also, it makes a sensei's-style diagram for you:

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I plan to add numbers to that.

It does require you to log in, sorry!

Oh, darn it, I need to add a link to let you register from the log in page. Go to the home page if you need to register. I'll fix that soon. (EDIT: fixed now.)

Posted: **Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:16 am**

This thread seems to be dead for some reason. Is there a more recent one relating dailyjoseki? Then, I haven't been able to find it, so I'll ask my questions here anyway.

First of all, it's really a great job you did, daniel_the_smith! I'm using dailyjoseki for several days now and I'm quite happy about it. I have some questions though:

1. Is the website being actively developed at the moment?

2. When I'm adjusting a test, does that affect its appearance for other people? If yes, I'm more eager to do that

3. What does "Skip ahead to this position in other tests, too." checkbox do, exactly? It's really not clear.

4. When I go through a joseki several times with high score (4 or 5), it still continues to show up afterwards. Does it stop eventually? Or does it show up less and less often? To which extent, then? Or am I supposed to remove all such tests with the remove button or from the queue?

And a couple of suggestions:

a) Please add a possibility to remove sucky tests before following 40 moves, most of which are just taking ko for both sides.

b) Replace << < > >> links with buttons. First, it's more logical UI-wise, as links are supposed to take a user to another page, while buttons perform actions in the current context. Second, buttons are much easier to point at and click.

c) Can you also add keyboard navigation to Select and Browse? Like, right and left arrows take you to the next and previous moves. Down arrow changes to the next most common variation and up arrow to the previous variation.
BTW, going through a joseki in Study mode by pressing right arrow key could also work when you made three bad guesses and the next move is shown to you at every move.

Posted: **Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:48 am**

Shedal wrote:This thread seems to be dead for some reason. Is there a more recent one relating dailyjoseki? Then, I haven't been able to find it, so I'll ask my questions here anyway.

Most of the action moved over to: http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3778

Shedal wrote:First of all, it's really a great job you did, daniel_the_smith! I'm using dailyjoseki for several days now and I'm quite happy about it. I have some questions though:

1. Is the website being actively developed at the moment?

Glad you like it, and, sorta-kinda. I was working on a new and improved set of data to add some super awesome features, but got a bit bogged down. I go through phases where I work on it a lot and then some where I do other things. I think it's about time to add a few things that don't need my super awesome data, though.

Shedal wrote:2. When I'm adjusting a test, does that affect its appearance for other people? If yes, I'm more eager to do that

My eventual goal was to make it modify the test if it notices a bunch of people change it. But no, at the moment it's only for you.

Shedal wrote:3. What does "Skip ahead to this position in other tests, too." checkbox do, exactly? It's really not clear.

The idea is that if you have a bunch of tests that all start with the same 10 moves, and you know those 10 moves really well, you can just set it to always skip to the interesting bit. I think it works.

Shedal wrote:4. When I go through a joseki several times with high score (4 or 5), it still continues to show up afterwards. Does it stop eventually? Or does it show up less and less often? To which extent, then? Or am I supposed to remove all such tests with the remove button or from the queue?

Yes, it will show up less and less often. It's a spaced repetition algorithm. Ideally it shows you the position right when you're about to forget it. I think I've written somewhere in one of these threads a few more details.

Shedal wrote:And a couple of suggestions:

a) Please add a possibility to remove sucky tests before following 40 moves, most of which are just taking ko for both sides.

Yeah, that is high on my list, and shouldn't be too hard.

Shedal wrote:b) Replace << < > >> links with buttons. First, it's more logical UI-wise, as links are supposed to take a user to another page, while buttons perform actions in the current context. Second, buttons are much easier to point at and click.

Yeah, I think that's a good idea, too. The < > are especially hard to hit on a tablet/phone.

Shedal wrote:c) Can you also add keyboard navigation to Select and Browse? Like, right and left arrows take you to the next and previous moves. Down arrow changes to the next most common variation and up arrow to the previous variation.
BTW, going through a joseki in Study mode by pressing right arrow key could also work when you made three bad guesses and the next move is shown to you at every move.

Yeah, this is on my list, too, but not quite as urgent as some other things. (Like your a & b and the mobile layout...)

I'll try and get a few things done on it in the next week. It's not fair to make you all wait for my Super Cool Awesome New Features.

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