#264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:31 am

My previous move was simply a way of getting an extra stone in place for the eventual fight in the upper right. It is a very open area, and enclosing territory is difficult, so I am not going to try to continue there right now.

One of the problems that make a fight difficult over there are moves like this:

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They threaten to connect southward, eastward, and westward. While I am addressing those issues, my own eastern side group becomes isolated.

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My current move, while slow, is multi-purpose.
1) It frees my upper right stones to concentrate solely on any battle up there, without the necessity of saving their southern brethern.
2) It may support an invasion of his newly acquired lower right corner territory with moves like 'a'.
3) It allows moves like 'b' to invade his potential territory.
4) And lastly, it improves my yose position by about 10 points.

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Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:25 am

I predict R17 now.

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:03 am

Kirby wrote:I predict R17 now.

Followed by Black R-18?

Edit: Unhidden.

Cassandra · Post by **Cassandra** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:11 am

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:18 am

Bill Spight wrote:
Kirby wrote:
I predict R17 now.

Followed by Black R-18?

Then go on an adventure with Q17. I don't know if it absolutely works, but I'd feel more comfortable as white than as black if R18 is played. Black should be pretty sure to kill if he plays R18 or else there's more to lose.

TegaiS · Post by **TegaiS** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:37 am

The position is complicate, I will take some time.

Like this Black has 10 points, White has 13 points.

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Difficult to say what is the best reply for Black but if he decides to sacrifice his stone it will 27 for White and 0 for Black. So the value will be 24 point gote. In fact it should be less so if there are moves bigger than 24 poins I should play them first.

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TegaiS · Post by **TegaiS** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:25 am

If Black allows White to live in the corner White will have 4 points and Black's loss will be 15 points so the value is 19 points gote for both.

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However Black can resist. For example

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I'am not sure I can live here. May be it is a good idea to play R17 and see the response.

Next move that looks big is N14. It makes R17 much easier. It also gives the followup at P13 and N17 and 4 marked point in the center. The followup at P13 gives another 8 points in gote. But if Black plays N14 himself he can't get points because of the hole at Q12.

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So it is probably better for Black to start from Q12 and after N14 O15 he will have additional 6 points

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So N14 is about 10 points sente + N17 value which is difficult to count but not that big because even without N14 White has the slide at M18.

B3 is 20 points gote in my count but it can change depending on the M3 outcome.

So the plan is to play R17 as a probe. If Black answers at Q17 then play at M3 and hope that I can take either 24 points in gote or retain sente. If Black tries to kill then N14 or other move in that direction.

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Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:42 pm

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TegaiS · Post by **TegaiS** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:18 pm

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emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:44 pm

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:05 am

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:12 pm

P15.

( I don't have good wifi right now )

TegaiS · Post by **TegaiS** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:47 pm

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Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:56 pm

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Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:31 pm

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