[go]$$W $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 1 . X . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . X . W . . X O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . O X X X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
(For beginners, mostly?) In general, the large knight has weaknesses at (a) and (b), so the above kosumi together with would hit both spots. However, general shape ideas are necessary but not sufficient -- we must take into account the specific local and global consequences.
[go]$$B $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 2 . . 1 O . X . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . O X X X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Re: 126. EdLee vs Loons
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:34 pm
by Loons
Naturally, Ed plays what I had all-but-convinced-myself he wouldn't play. I guess this leaves me with the least eye-space on top, but leaves aji (like a possibly useful forcing move at 'a' (and then even c would be forcing, pretty sure)) compared to J18 (I think).
90% sure I'm going to two space jump to G14 and use white's cut aji to walk out.
I've also decided I probably want to answer x with y here, feels very solid.
I'm speculating whether this order of moves has a difference to playing the jump to G14 first . (And also making more checks for pitfalls!)
$$Bcm53 Prisoners: $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O b B . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . X a O d . B O O X W . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . c O . . O X X X W . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . X O O . 1 . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . y X x . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . | $$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm53 Prisoners: $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O b B . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . X a O d . B O O X W . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . c O . . O X X X W . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . X O O . 1 . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . y X x . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . | $$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Edit; PS: The marked exchange seems to have been good for white (similar territory, similar amount of aji maybe). I'm not entirely confident my result in top left is going to be even compensation.
Re: 126. EdLee vs Loons
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:44 am
by Loons
$$Bcm53 Prisoners: $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . O X X X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . X O O . . 1 . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . | $$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm53 Prisoners: $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . O X X X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . X O O . . 1 . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . | $$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Eh, this just tickled my fancy at the moment. Anyway, while I'm sure the current situation is pretty exciting, we're going to do something else. Don't worry, I think H17 is sente against life so I'm not really running with a knight's move.
Many Major Mistakes: A Recap So Far [sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50] PW[EdLee]PB[Loons] ;B[pd] ;W[dd] ;B[pp] ;W[dp] ;B[fq] ;W[cn] ;B[dr] ;W[cq] ;B[iq] ;W[qn] ;B[np] ;W[rp] ;B[ql] ;W[qq] ;B[qo] ;W[ro] ;B[pn] ;W[or] ;B[rn] ;W[mq]TR[mp]C[I thought black's local followup was going to be big somehow and sometime. I was wrong.] ;B[pf]C[I think this was a surprisingly large mistake. Top and C14 are not miai.] ;W[jd] ;B[cf] ;W[df] ;B[dg] ;W[ef] ;B[ce]TR[cd]C[Given I decided eventually to take gote over here anyway, I should have chosen a more interesting joseki.] ;W[cd] ;B[cj] ;W[qh]TR[oh]C[I think just responding (cap) now may have been better.] ;B[lc] ;W[ke] ;B[jb]TR[oh]C[Black top is becoming thin, considering R12. Maybe still the cap.] ;W[pc] ;B[oc]C[(Remembering black has become thin, white is going to get something here)] ;W[qd] ;B[qe]TR[pe]C[My initially planeed move at least wouldn't have had the game's weakness.] ;W[od] ;B[pe] ;W[nc] ;B[ob] ;W[nb]C[this exchange really favored white, even considering R13 was tenukied earlier.] ;B[nd] ;W[md] ;B[oe] ;W[ne] ;B[od] ;W[mc] ;B[gc]C[Who knows. It looked ok?] ;W[ic] ;B[ec] ;W[hb]C[Not yet clear how black has gained from sacrificing K18 stones.])[/sgf-full] Why is it that I can not get any sgf uploads to work except by copying their text...
Addendum: If Ed has made any mistakes yet, I have not caught them.
My mistakes haven't even been hard to spot. I feel like I just haven't been bringing my A game. I'll try to improve on that for the next two hundred moves.
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:46 am
by EdLee
Wheee! Interesting.
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:25 am
by EdLee
First feeling is exploit the marked weak spots...
$$B $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . C . O . . O X X X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . C . . . O . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
[go]$$B $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . C . O . . O X X X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . C . . . O . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:32 pm
by EdLee
Var 1. B connects:
$$W $$ --------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . O 8 X . . . O X . $$ | . . . . X . X 6 O . . X O O X O $$ | . . O O . . 4 3 7 O . . O X X X $$ | . . X . . . 1 2 . . O . . O X X $$ | . . X O O . 5 X . . . . . . . X $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
[go]$$W $$ --------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . O 8 X . . . O X . $$ | . . . . X . X 6 O . . X O O X O $$ | . . O O . . 4 3 7 O . . O X X X $$ | . . X . . . 1 2 . . O . . O X X $$ | . . X O O . 5 X . . . . . . . X $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
Var 2. B ponnuki:
$$W $$ --------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . O 7 X . . . O X . $$ | . . . . X . X 6 O 9 . X O O X O $$ | . . O O . . 4 3 8 O . . O X X X $$ | . . X . . . 1 2 . . O . . O X X $$ | . . X O O . 5 X . . . . . . . X $$ | . . . X . . . 0 . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
[go]$$W $$ --------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . O 7 X . . . O X . $$ | . . . . X . X 6 O 9 . X O O X O $$ | . . O O . . 4 3 8 O . . O X X X $$ | . . X . . . 1 2 . . O . . O X X $$ | . . X O O . 5 X . . . . . . . X $$ | . . . X . . . 0 . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
Var 3. B connects + ponnuki:
$$W $$ --------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . 9 8 W 6 X . . . O X . $$ | . . . . X 7 X 4 O . . X O O X O $$ | . . O O . . 3 5 . O . . O X X X $$ | . . X . . . 1 2 . . O . . O X X $$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
[go]$$W $$ --------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . 9 8 W 6 X . . . O X . $$ | . . . . X 7 X 4 O . . X O O X O $$ | . . O O . . 3 5 . O . . O X X X $$ | . . X . . . 1 2 . . O . . O X X $$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
Var 4. Broken shape for W:
$$W $$ --------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . O 5 X . . . O X . $$ | . . . . X . X 4 O . . X O O X O $$ | . . O O . . 3 6 . O . . O X X X $$ | . . X . . . 1 2 . . O . . O X X $$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
[go]$$W $$ --------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . O 5 X . . . O X . $$ | . . . . X . X 4 O . . X O O X O $$ | . . O O . . 3 6 . O . . O X X X $$ | . . X . . . 1 2 . . O . . O X X $$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:58 pm
by EdLee
53.jpg (66.43 KiB) Viewed 8476 times
An interesting moment.
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:51 pm
by EdLee
Var 5. Another crazy idea is this funny empty triangle -- just take the cash at (a) and (b) first, and let B deal with the weak group.
$$W $$ --------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . a . . . . . O . X . b . O X . $$ | . . . 1 X . X . O . . X O O X O $$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . O X X X $$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X $$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
[go]$$W $$ --------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . a . . . . . O . X . b . O X . $$ | . . . 1 X . X . O . . X O O X O $$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . O X X X $$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X $$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:31 pm
by EdLee
$$Wm54 Prisoners: $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . 1 X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . O X X X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . | $$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------