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Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:01 pm
by Jedo
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[go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sadly, I think I'm screwed here, I somehow didn't catch the variation starting with this move:

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[go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 8 X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X 7 X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 0 5 , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 0 O 5 X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . 3 4 O 1 2 O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Uh-oh. I'll take another look after he makes his next move, but I may have to resign.

Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:44 pm
by ez4u
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[go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X 7 X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think that White gets a reasonable result here. Black can not block as below. So Black plays 2 at 3 below and White descends at 5, picking up one stone and threatening to connect at "a". That is what I am expecting next.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 2 X . . 9 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X 1 X 8 X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 5 O 7 X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O 3 4 O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X a . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:30 pm
by Jedo
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[go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I really can't find anything better than this. At least I end in sente?
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[go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 8 X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X 7 X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 0 O , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O 3 X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . 2 O 1 . O X . . . . . . . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I've lost almost all of my lead, but I may have enough solid points to win.

Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:49 pm
by ez4u
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[go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O 9 . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think I win here as posted previously. If not, it won't be the first time an opponent has out-read me. :blackeye:

Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:18 pm
by Jedo
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[go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 0 O , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:44 pm
by ez4u
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:15 pm
by Jedo
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . 2 O O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


trigger
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O 3 X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . 2 O O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . 4 . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't think I have any choice here. If I play the move that I wanted to play, I think he gets nasty sente against my group:


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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O 3 X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . 2 O O . O X . . . . . . . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . X . a X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 5 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X 6 7 8 . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X 9 X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X 0 b . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White a black b. This seems pretty bad, since I only have one eye on the left side. With the move I made, I have two nice follow ups:
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O 3 X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . 2 O O . O X . . . . . . . X c . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . 4 . b . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . a . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have a and b, and it looks like the sequence with white c is gote.

Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:38 pm
by Magicwand
for obs only:
seems like he drew variation why it doesnt work for white and didnt see one more step..
if cut "b" then atari "a" and capture.
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O 3 X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . 2 O O . O X . . . . . . . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . X . a X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 5 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X 6 7 8 . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X 9 X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X 0 b . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:04 pm
by ez4u
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X 5 . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Trigger:
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X 7 . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think White has caught up in territory now and has become very strong in the center of the board. I think I am better off to prevent Black making territory on the right and letting him play first on the bottom. But frankly this is the type of situation that I have a hard time deciding on. :scratch:

Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:26 pm
by Jedo
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X 7 . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . 8 . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Can I end with sente?
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X 7 . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . 8 9 . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . |
$$ | . X X 6 . . . . . . . . . . a O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . b . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Can I force him to connect at a and then reduce the middle? I'm not sure yet, but that cut looks pretty nasty. Assuming he connects, is b big enough? I don't think so becuase the focus is in the middle, ,but I'll have to take a closer look

Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:47 pm
by ez4u
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . a O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . X 9 . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

No comment on mine. The question is where will Black turn next. Later I will try to use the aji of "a" against Black in this area.

Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:31 pm
by Jedo
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This was the move that I had planned. I think he'll just connect, because if I cut it's miai to either kill or destroy the center:
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . b . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . a O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . 2 O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . a . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | 1 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

a and b as miai here. If he connects, might it be time to capture those stones on the bottom?
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . a O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . x . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . 2 3 . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . 4 . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The other nice thing about my chosen move is that it protects the P9 cutting point

Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:06 pm
by jts
Isn't Jedo's latest a raw peep? (I guess this comes across as a rhetorical question, but I really am interested in commentary - I tend to cut wherever and whenever the cutting stones can get three liberties, which is probably overkill.)

Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:39 pm
by ez4u
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[go]$$Wcm21 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I accept the idea that :b20: was a forcing play. Black covers the cut around P9 but at the same time, White's bottom and right side groups are firmly connected and strengthened. So it is not a pure gain for Black. I was more concerned about getting into a wild fight if Black directly cut at P6 instead.

Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:57 am
by Jedo
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[go]$$Wcm21 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . 2 . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Value: 49.2%

Sequence:
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[go]$$Wcm21 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . 9 8 . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . 7 X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . 6 5 O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . 2 3 . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . 4 . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


top three choices:
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[go]$$Wcm21 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . c . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . b . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . a . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


a- 65%
b- 30%
c- 5%