[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white 2 black 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . X . 5 X 3 O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 X O 1 7 . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O 2 6 . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Sack a few stones to build a giant center framework. So here my goal is clear: to simply stop him from doing so. Is it important for me to ensure I eat the few stones he offers to me? Well, it's kind of big I guess, but really I think gaining control of the center gains higher priority here. Wouldn't you say something like the diagram below is better for me than taking the stones?
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white 2 black 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . O . . . . 6 . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . X . 4 X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 X O 2 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O 1 . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . 7 . 3 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: white 2 black 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . X . . X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O 6 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i was afraid he might play that... i guess this will be a complicated fight for both of us. i will have to say that black has better fighting position for now.. but i believe that i am stronger player so i will come out ahead somehow..
i have no idea what he will play! and really dont care. i will do my reading after he plays his move.
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:50 am
by perceval
Magicwand wrote:... but i believe that i am stronger player so i will come out ahead somehow..
i have no idea what he will play! and really dont care. i will do my reading after he plays his move
i probably never be 3/4 dan but even if i somehow manage one day i ll never, ever be able to say things like this. its a major part of the fun of MW's game for me
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:56 am
by Tooveli
Seems like M11 already ended up making White heavier (instead of well sacrificed). Now I like Black.
ps. Am I the only person who really wants to post childish things like
@Araban: can't wait till MagicWand reads that!
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:00 am
by Solomon
$$Bcm51 Prisoners: white 2 black 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . X . . X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: white 2 black 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . X . . X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:00 pm
by Loons
I'm not under the impression that Araban's 4-5-6-7 will get played soon. Exchanging inside moves for outside moves is always a last resort.
Just O9? Though running with a heavy group is painful...
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:19 pm
by prokofiev
A question regarding the lower side: Is White O2 painful if ignored? I ask this with whether M3 is a key point to aim at for later for black or is neutralized by the White O2 being some degree of sente in mind.
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:29 pm
by daniel_the_smith
prokofiev wrote:
A question regarding the lower side: Is White O2 painful if ignored? I ask this with whether M3 is a key point to aim at for later for black or is neutralized by the White O2 being some degree of sente in mind.
I think O2 has large endgame followups, but it's not anything like sente at the moment. Might be different if black was totally sealed in.
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:46 pm
by Magicwand
O9
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:32 pm
by SpongeBob
$$Bcm51 Prisoners: white 2 black 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . X . . X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . 8 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white 2 black 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . X . . X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . 8 . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X 2 1 4 , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X 3 O 6 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:51 am
by Magicwand
yes.. i know that black..can do this. i am trying to find answer for that but i dont see anything good yet. but i know that if i live comfortablely then i will win comfortably. now i regret my choice. i could have made this game so simple...and now i am fight to survive.. not what i wanted..
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white 2 black 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . X . . X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . 7 . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X 2 1 4 , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X 3 O 6 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
