[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O . . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X . O O 3 X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O . X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
ok he takes a liberty and destroy my last eye, so now its no eyes vs no eyes, interesting
so i must take a liberty now its a liberty fight
this move saves my lonely stone & takes a liberty
im playing it out on my board and the corner helps me a little bit in the liberty fight because it will take a while to get there for white because he is not close enough to just take liberties directly
but to be honest im kinda nervous, if i do loose this group i gotta have more ways to stay ahead in this game... so now its meditation time, i gotta stay calm and try looking at the board from different angels
if he takes another liberty, then i take another liberty. unless i see something else.
im gonna take a litte break from the board and come back to it with a refreshed mind. i have been staring at the same positons all day and i feel a little edgy u know
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:29 pm
by Marcus
$$Bcm80 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O 4 . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X . O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O . X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X . O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O 5 X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i got mixed emotions i just saw something on the board IM DEAD
i dont like it but i think i found a way to deal with it in a productive way
ok lets see this is a one way street
$$Bcm80 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . c b X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O a . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O 4 . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X 6 O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O 5 X 9 . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O 8 7 . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . c b X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O a . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O 4 . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X 6 O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O 5 X 9 . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O 8 7 . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
now we both have 6 liberties (4 actual & 2 vitural) and its his move so if he takes a liberty then im going to be short 1 in the semeai
but its ok i gotta sacrifice skillfully like a man so im forcing him in this sequence just so i can play some valuable moves elsewhere like a-c for example, i havent decided where yet or how at the same time im blocking off my lower right side
im angry about that loss but the anger just motivates me to look on the bright side at least i caught that earlier than i normally would thats good reading on my part !!!
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:05 am
by illluck
My reading is obviously terrible, but seems like 1986 lost his final chance here.
$$Bcm80 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X . O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | 7 X X . X O X O . X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O 5 6 . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X . O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | 7 X X . X O X O . X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O 5 6 . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
As above seems like seki in sente for black.
If black were dead, black should stop playing in the area and leave the forcing moves for ko threats.
Edit: As a side note, 1986's variation is correct given that he is dead after his last move. However, I would not play 86 even as a local move because K6 and such are more subtle (though I guess white L2 is fairly easy to find for sdk, especially in slow games).
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:05 am
by EdLee
1986,
1986 wrote:i gotta sacrifice skillfully like a man
As you're probably well aware, there are pros, women and men alike, who make beautiful sacrificing moves.
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:50 am
by Marcus
$$Bcm80 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X 6 O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X 6 O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I still have this fight. However, the game is not won or lost. I'm gonna need to do something similar at least once more to get back in the game, I think.
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:08 pm
by 1986
$$Bcm80 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O 7 . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O 7 . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
@Ed lee
yeah you are right is should have said sacrifice like mankind
sometimes a break is all you need, i feel much better now, i decided to play here instead of close off the bottom right side in sente,
just in case i have a ko and need those threats later, i will have a few up my sleve
my main focus is now where are the best global plays
$$Bcm80 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . b a X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O 7 . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . d . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . e . . | $$ | . . X , c . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X 6 O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . b a X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O 7 . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . d . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . e . . | $$ | . . X , c . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X 6 O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
so far i like a-e, i really like (a) first and foremost
its a peacful night tonight im going to watch some go lectures on internetgoschool.com
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:24 am
by Marcus
$$Bcm80 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 8 X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 8 X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Solidify corner #3 ... that fight left Black with a good number of ko threats, so I need to keep that in mind for the future. I have to assume I'm going to lose any ko fight and choose my battles wisely ...
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:49 am
by 1986
$$Bcm80 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Great move i wanted to play there, lets see if i can make sabaki, in this corner, at fist i was thinking
$$Bcm88 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 1 O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . .a O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , b . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm88 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 1 O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . .a O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , b . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
with the option to play (a) to either build a base in the corner or build a base for my two stone group, but i decided to just go with the one space jump to keep it simple.
i also wanted to play (b) but its not time yet i gotta do something with this group first
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:28 pm
by Marcus
Still thinking ... might be a few days while I review the board. Sorry for the delay.
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:45 am
by Marcus
Sorry for the delay. It's been a rough week last week.
$$Bcm80 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
ok, so I looked at the board and couldn't decide what I should do. Perhaps I'm getting greedy here, but I feel like I should invade the right side now. I still need to make up some points here.
There is still aji in H17, K16, and O17 that I will want to activate eventually, but now doesn't seem like the right time to do that. His C10/C13/E13 group is also attackable, and I considered doing that as well, but I couldn't yet see enough profit to make it worthwhile.
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:54 am
by 1986
no problem i enjoyed my week off, gives me the chance to look at the board with fresh eyes
$$Bcm90 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm90 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
ok back to business, i choose the pincer because it helps my lower and right side setup, basically i think it looks better globally, usually you defend the corner like so
$$Bcm90 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . 2 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm90 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . 2 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
but then white gets the star point and gets a good right side presence that i have to deal with, for instance he can run into my center from there or start some trouble trying to break out from his lower right group to do something else & i rather pincer to avoid all of that. im sure you undertstand just its the keep it simple stupid (K.I.S.S.) method
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:11 pm
by Marcus
$$Bcm90 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . 2 . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm90 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . 2 . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
My opponent's center is starting to look really nice ... here's hoping I can reduce it later.
Perhaps it's just my mood (I tend to be a bit more down during the winter), but it's looking to be pretty hard to reduce that center. I'm going to have to bust out the aji and make SOMETHING work.
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:48 pm
by 1986
$$Bcm90 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . 3 . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm90 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . 3 . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
interesting i expected a large knights move, but anyway the diagonal move i played stops him from connecting with the top side
$$Bcm90 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . 3 . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . 2 . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 4 . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm90 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . 3 . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . 2 . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 4 . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . | $$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i like the way this builds up the top, its peaceful yet profitable
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