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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:43 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #98 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . 3 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 2 O O X 1 , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X 2 . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

choose your 2

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:52 pm
by Laman
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #102 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . B . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

ok, lets first count the points once again:
white: upper right, lower right, lower left unchanged, still 10 + 15 + 15 = 40, + something in center
black: right unchanged, still 10 or little more points, left has grown bigger, with optimistic view let say around 60 points = 10 + 60 = 70
so, the question is: can white gain more then 30 points in the center? maybe he can, but it looks close. so (surprisingly for me) it makes sense to continue. now i aim for this small sente reduction and then i will decide what to do more.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . 4 3 . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . 2 1 . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . 6 5 . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

PS: for all observers, if my analysis was wrong and i should resign, please write me so. i already thought it was a lost game and I was ready for capitulation, but after i counted, it seems still playable.

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:11 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #102 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . W X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:48 am
by Laman
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #104 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . B . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i am not sure about O16, leave it for later

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:02 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #104 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i think i am winning ...not by much.. but i have some moves he wont expect...i should be ok.

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:07 am
by Laman
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #106 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

hmm, we ran out of forced variations and i should decide what to do next... i feel i should play some sente, but i cant think of any. other moves i considered:
K18 - also big territorial move, but gote for both, while my actual move would be sente for white
J9 - looks big and somewhat "unstopable", but white doesnt really have to answer and after some thinking it might not be so big
R4 - big point, prevents w S5 (which is sente), stabilize my group, has sente endgame continuation at T3

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:10 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #106 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . W O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:19 pm
by Laman
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #108 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . B X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . O O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:13 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #108 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . W . |
$$ | . X X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . O O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i purposely didnt sente left corner. if he try to sente i will tenuki. my move is looking to cut the dragon in half.

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:30 pm
by Laman
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #110 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X B . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . X X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . O O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

seems progress is in white's favor, i feel bad about the situation, i should count it again tommorrow

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:11 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #110 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | W X X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . O O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i dont think what i am playing is right sequence but he seems to answer everything i play... so he will likely give me this sente.

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:09 am
by Laman
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #112 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | B . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . O O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:21 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #112 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | 1 O O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:44 am
by Laman
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #114 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:57 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #115 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
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