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Big Brother Malkovich #2

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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:30 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Ok by me. I'll go with whatever the majority prefers.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:50 pm
by Aphelion
Phelan hasn't posted since Sept. 2, if Daniel has no objections I would pronounce this game adjourned.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:55 am
by daniel_the_smith
That's fine, I hope Phelan is OK...

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:43 am
by Phelan
Daniel, thanks for worrying, everything is ok.
Sorry guys. I've been a little too busy for L19, and only recently started lurking again.

I think I have time to finish this game at least. Does everyone want to resume it?

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:03 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Phelan wrote:
I think I have time to finish this game at least. Does everyone want to resume it?


I can continue it or not, whatever you guys want to do.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:56 pm
by Aphelion
Yea, I'm okay with resuming it.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:25 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Sure, we can continue.

Welcome back.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:33 pm
by Phelan
Thanks.

So, from where we left off:

Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Aphelion wrote:If Daniel accepts:

For Joaz only:
[ hide]I'd like to offer this trigger as it seems forced to me.
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[go]$$Bcm23 Move 26a - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=6, W=5
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I approve.

I guess what we are doing, deconstructed, is: Apelion proposes 23, I approve, we assume that 24 is the only reasonable move, Phelan will play it, Daniel will approve it, Aphelion plays 25 and I approve that too.
@Phelan & Daniel: Is this ok with with you?


I'm ok with it.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:50 pm
by daniel_the_smith
*checks color*

Yeah, I'm ok with that. So now Phelan gets to play 26, right?

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:12 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
daniel_the_smith wrote:... So now Phelan gets to play 26, right?


I believe so.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:31 am
by Phelan
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm23 Move 26 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=6, W=5
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Right now I'm just concerned about our group living, without harming any possibilities at the top.
I also considered L18, but I didn't like K17 as the reply.
Looking at the game now, I don't really like White. It seems black will be solid soon, and will also have influence towards the middle and right side.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:17 am
by daniel_the_smith
Sorry, have to change it:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm23 Move 26 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=6, W=5
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Force before living. If we don't do this, we'll never have the option of splitting off the black stones for an attack. This won't be sente once our group is alive.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:13 am
by Joaz Banbeck
To white players anytime, and to Aphelion after he moves:
If it is M15, I approve.

I'm going skiing - or, well, falling down on ski slopes - for a few days, so I might not post until Friday.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:51 am
by Aphelion
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm27 Move 27 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=6, W=5
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Forced, of course. I wonder if I should have taken the time to take that stone earlier, but that gave white a fair bit on the top. At least I will still get sente back after this, I will need to evaluate if the top group needs another move after that


Edit: Corrected move number, and after reading Joaz's move its now Phelan's turn.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:23 pm
by Phelan
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm27 Move 28 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=6, W=4
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Fixed corrections. :-?
It seems I forgot how important keeping the groups separated was.
Now I'm undecided between K17 and just playing N18 again. We're starting to run low on corrections...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm27 My idea
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This takes away some eyespace on the top.

I also considered K14, but I don't like black's reply:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm27 Seems bad news...
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