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27. topazg (1d) vs. Numsgil (8k)

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Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)

Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 12:55 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Wcm92 Move 92 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

This game's going to get a whole load more fun in 15 moves or so. I'm not entirely sure why Black extended. The aji of bN7 has gone down quite a bit because he no longer has N6 as a double atari (so I can block at O7 rather than needing N6 myself). I predict a big fight between lots of groups, and that's just what White wants right now because of the thickness in the top left. I want a big fight, so let's get rumbling.


Tactics and Variations

So, if he's extended once, he's probably going to do it again. Obviously that's fine by me - I'm not pushing just because I assume he'll extend either - the purpose of the atari was a get out of jail free card, so I can't let him bend around here or it was pointless. So, expectations?

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[go]$$Wcm92 Move 92 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . a b X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 1 O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . 3 . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Certainly this, and then I want "a" if Black can't effectively get away with "b" (and I have a feeling he can't ...). If not, "b" is good enough, just keep everything separated and look for big kills. One more and I'm probably caught up.

Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)

Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 1:08 pm
by Numsgil
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[go]$$Bcm93 Move 93 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Local capture doesn't work (that I can see) so this should be safe. See previous posts.

Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)

Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 1:11 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Wcm94 Move 94 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . 1 . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Let's rumble - nothing more to say :D

EDIT: Actually, something more. I would rather push on the top and split in a big way with N10 or O10, but this is the safest way of securing two eyes at the bottom without having to worry about being sealed in in gote or something...

Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)

Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 2:01 pm
by Numsgil
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[go]$$Bcm95 Move 95 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . 1 . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations
If I play like this, there's a ladder. Even with my black stone at F9, the ladder is not broken.

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[go]$$Wcm94 Move 94 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 7 X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . 1 2 O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 5 4 3 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 6 . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm94 Move 94 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . W . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X B W . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . W B B W . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . W B B W . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . W B B O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X O O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This way is a family feud. I hurt my corner enclosure by pushing white towards it as he builds strength.

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[go]$$Wcm94 Move 94 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 2 X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . 5 3 1 . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I do nothing, white can capture in a net.

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[go]$$Wcm94 Move 94 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 . O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . 1 . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This way white ends up squeezed out into the center, and I have two weak groups he can attack for fun and profit.

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[go]$$Wcm94 Move 94 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . 7 . 4 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . 6 5 3 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 8 . 2 O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . 1 . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This seems okay. Lots of forcing moves white can pull still, though (the trumpet connection isn't great in this case because of all the peeps white has). But black's group, once clumped, is still no weaker than white's group on the side.
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[go]$$Wcm94 Move 94 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . 0 . 8 . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . 2 7 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 6 3 O O 9 O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 5 1 . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is a weirder variation. Still okay for black I think.

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[go]$$Wcm94 Move 94 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . 7 0 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . 2 8 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 6 3 O O 9 O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 5 1 . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)

Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 5:55 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Wcm96 Move 96 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Upping the stakes ... having secured the lower group, I want big split heavy groups to fight against ;)

Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)

Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 11:12 pm
by Numsgil
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[go]$$Bcm97 Move 97 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Continuing my variation

Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)

Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 2:58 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Wcm98 Move 98 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . 1 X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

J4 is totally expendable if it needs to be. However, this still threatens to loose ladder all 4 Black stones, and at the same time isolates the middle group. Strategically, I want the following points quite badly:

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[go]$$Wcm98 Move 98 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . b . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . a . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . 1 X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . c . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think a goodly sized middle territory isn't out of the question, and I think "c" could well become hard to handle later. "b" is intended to make miai out of doing some fun in the top right corner or making some points at the top. "a" and "c" go very well, so we'll just have to see. Dropping into intuition mode here!


Tactics and Variations

I expect something like this, which will be hard for Black:

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[go]$$Wcm98 Move 98 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . 3 1 X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 4 O . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)

Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 4:07 am
by Magicwand
let me see....
how many black points??? hum.....i will say definitly 10 points possibley 30 points...
how about white...hum..def 100 points and possibly...150 points.

i think it is about time he resign.

Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)

Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:27 am
by Numsgil
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[go]$$Bcm99 Move 99 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O 1 O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations
This way white has lost his side group.

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[go]$$Bcm99 Move 99 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 4 O 1 O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 3 2 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm99 Move 99 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 3 O 1 O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 4 . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Something like this let's me use the aji of my corner to build a strong wall and get some solid territory on the left side. So it's possible white could play like this.

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[go]$$Bcm99 Move 99 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X 2 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 5 O 1 O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 6 7 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 9 3 O X 4 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Same this way.

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[go]$$Bcm99 Move 99 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O 1 O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 5 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 O X 4 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Works this way, too.

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[go]$$Bcm99 Move 99 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 7 O 1 O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 5 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 O X 4 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)

Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:31 am
by Numsgil
Tactics and Variations
Actually, this way would fail for black:

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[go]$$Bcm99 Move 99 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O 1 O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 5 4 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But this way works. Black has sente.

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[go]$$Bcm99 Move 99 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 8 7 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 4 O 1 O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 3 9 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 O X 6 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)

Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:52 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Wcm100 Move 100 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 1 . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Ok, I'm glad about that. I was a bit worried about Black getting J3, which looked like there were some awkward sequences. Even if Black just pushes out first, there was some nasty aji which Black has now removed for me. Now my 4-3 corner invasion in the lower left is beginning to look quite interesting. I want to see if I can isolate F3 properly from this mini-running dragon thing, and then play it. I could get a useful rip-off for the remaining 20 points or so I want there.

The top right I really want to play, but I'll play the 2-4 if Black extends along the top edge anyway, so either there will be a complicated fight again, or I'll get that corner from him in exchange for thickness - it's hard to not let him get thick up there if he gets 4 moves in anyway.

Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)

Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 12:09 pm
by unkx80
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[go]$$Wcm98 Move 98 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . a X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Why don't white play this simple move of pushing through? Then white will have no cutting point.

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[go]$$Bcm99 Move 99 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O a O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . b . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And then black must play that aji keshi move at a... just extend here already!

Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)

Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:58 pm
by Numsgil
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[go]$$Bcm101 Move 101 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 1 O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Looks like an overplay, but I don't think it is. I don't think I can show all possible responses (spent the better part of the last 30 minutes working on them in CGoban), but this is what I think the most likely one is:

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[go]$$Bcm101 Move 101 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . 5 . 6 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . 7 O X 4 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 1 O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O 2 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white cuts, something like this is the result (maybe. There are a lot of potential responses from either side.)
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[go]$$Bcm101 Move 101 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . 9 . 7 . 8 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X 6 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 3 5 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 2 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 1 O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I could try to think of a way to lead to less complicated fighting. It's probably even the most reasonable thing to do if I want to win. But I think this way is more fun :P

Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)

Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 4:13 pm
by amnal
Numsgil wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm101 Move 101 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 1 O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Looks like an overplay, but I don't think it is. I don't think I can show all possible responses (spent the better part of the last 30 minutes working on them in CGoban), but this is what I think the most likely one is:

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[go]$$Bcm101 Move 101 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . 5 . 6 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . 7 O X 4 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 1 O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O 2 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white cuts, something like this is the result (maybe. There are a lot of potential responses from either side.)
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[go]$$Bcm101 Move 101 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . 9 . 7 . 8 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X 6 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 3 5 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 2 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 1 O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I could try to think of a way to lead to less complicated fighting. It's probably even the most reasonable thing to do if I want to win. But I think this way is more fun :P


I think black is trying too hard. White can just connect his cutting point now, and black is left trying to deal with things.

Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 1:51 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Wcm102 Move 102 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Well, I feel a bit silly playing this move, as my hane looks incredibly slow to me now, but I think it's the right thing to do. I'm always preaching that weak/strong group battles are vitally important, and how it's crucial not to have the weakest "important" group (like in this case, valuable cutting stones) in a big fight. If Black played my latest move straight after the hane, I was going to extend and feel quite happy, but the more these stones go on the board, the more the move just looked like overplay, and a rather bad aji one at that - I think fixing is big enough to take as gote. It's only semi-sente here, because if Black connects solidly, I sort of want to defend too (see variation 1 in tactics) - just not enough to actually defend just yet ;)


Tactics and Variations

I wanted to cut, but it's all overplay. My lower group is simply not strong enough to play this way:

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[go]$$Wcm102 Move 102 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . 5 . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 4 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 1 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 9 O 6 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 8 7 O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'd marked the middle area as dame anyway when I counted, and I want a secure right hand side group. So instead, let's build up a big ol' attack and take that point in the right I really wanted, that way, I might just start getting those other points back.:

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[go]$$Wcm102 Move 102 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . 7 . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . 3 5 . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . 4 6 . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O a O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . b O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The aji at "a" isn't insignificant if Black connects solidly, and I'd have to give up my 2 stones, but that's ok, it's smaller than the rest of the board.
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