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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:42 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i am down...i welcome any kind of complication

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:01 pm
by Solomon
Kirby's move may look vigorous, but personally I feel given the global situation it's not the best choice and only gives MW a chance to come back if he gets carried away.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 1 . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:49 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The move I feel on instinct is to play here:
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[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . 2 . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


However, I want to get in the move I played while I still think he'll respond the way I want him to.

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:31 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


exactly what i expected him to play.
when attacking weakgroup do not attach your stone to the group or let them attach to your stone.
i am down but not by much.
i think i will comeback from this before endgame..

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:17 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . 4 . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I feel no stress at all.

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:56 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . 4 . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O 5 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

if he is going to give up that one stone for nothing then what is the purpose of the peep??

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:13 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X 6 X . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:19 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X 7 . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


these little mistakes by kirby will bite his ass later..

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:26 pm
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . 0 X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O 9 O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm having fun. :-D

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:57 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . 1 X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


is he going to save atari as a ko threat?

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:07 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:17 pm
by mitsun
Araban wrote:
Kirby's move may look vigorous, but personally I feel given the global situation it's not the best choice and only gives MW a chance to come back if he gets carried away.
I have the opposite view: Kirby's move was great. It hit the vital spot and was severe, not an overplay. Sure, Kirby has an easy win from here (despite MW unfounded optimism) if he simply plays safe, but since the game is being played for fun, why not go all out and try to play the strongest moves? For that matter, I think I have lost more "won" games by playing overly safe and gradually losing ground than by playing aggressively and risking a large blunder.

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:29 pm
by mitsun
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[go]$$
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . B . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This move looks even more severe. Note that W has a liberty shortage and cannot cut. This move takes a vital point for W eye shape and constricts W more than the game move. Of course if B just wants to win safely, a narrow extension from the upper right group is fine. But this is the move to go for the jugular. I think it would be the only move if W was leading on the rest of the board and B had to make the most of the local situation.

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:05 pm
by Kirby
I look forward to observing the discussion happening with this game. Thanks to all observers who have participated.

Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:23 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 3 . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]