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Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 2:26 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm85 Move 85 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . W . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 4:04 am
by Harleqin
Jedo wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm70 Move 70 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . B . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Does anyone else think that maybe this move isn't the best? I feel like the high enclosure would make a better framework with the bottom left. Maybe something around d10 also, as I think black feels a little flat.


Yes, that move misses the point in my opinion. However, I think that the move to consider here has to be something like this:

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[go]$$Bc Move 70 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . b . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . a . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black gets to attack the white stones in the centre. 'b' might be a bit sharper, but is also thinner.

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 12:25 pm
by Kirby
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[go]$$Bcm86 Move 86 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hmm. I still can't see what he's going to do.
Hopefully I didn't screw up my reading. There are several variations, so I won't post them at this time...

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 3:45 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm87 Move 87 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X W . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i dont know what the answer is but what he played is not right. its too easy to see that it is wrong.
i guess weaker people actually consider such move and try to make sense out of it.

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 4:07 pm
by Solomon
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Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 4:58 pm
by topazg
Complicated though?

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[go]$$Bcm87 Move 87 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 3 1 X W . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X 6 O 2 O 0 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O 8 X X X 9 4 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 5:39 pm
by daniel_the_smith
I couldn't find anything for white when I looked.

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 5:43 pm
by Kirby
There is a trick he has here, bit I actually think I'm fine. This type of situation requires care, though, so I'll post the variations I'm thinking after I get home from work. I'll post several in a bit.

By the way, this hidden post liking is a good way to perk my curiosity...

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 6:52 pm
by Marcus
Araban wrote:
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Sol, you just made my evening. LOL!

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 8:13 pm
by Kirby
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[go]$$Bcm88 Move 88 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


OK. As I stated earlier, I think that I'm fine with this move. However, even considering the sequence I gave in this corner earlier, there is a problem with the shortage of liberties potentially caused by Magicwand threatening to take my other eye.

To be specific, this is the sequence I first read out:

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[go]$$Wcm1 The trick white can do
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 4 B X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X 5 O 3 O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O 7 X X X . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


but now, I have to be careful... Because if I go directly for killing his inside stones, white can activate an attack on my lower group:

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[go]$$Bcm1 white 4 goes at 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X O O O O 1 2 |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O O X X X 3 O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X 6 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As you can see, :w6: in the diagram above becomes a problem. If I follow the sequence from before to "save" my central group and make two eyes:

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[go]$$Bcm1 $$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O 7 |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X O O O O O O |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 4 5 . X X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O 3 O O O O 6 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


and I am in trouble!

However, as it turns out, I don't need to answer :w7: by that way. I think I have enough liberties to simply save both groups:


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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 4 B X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X 5 O 3 O 9 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O 7 X X X . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O 8 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


and I should win the liberty race at the top, along with saving my group in the center.

So then I can think of any other moves white might do differently before :w7: in the diagram above.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O 2 O 1 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1 Same board position as above
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 2 B X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X 3 O 1 O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1 Should be fine.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 2 B X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X 3 O 1 O 5 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O 6 X X X . 7 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I might be able to come up with a better sequence for me, even, in the above diagram. But this at least shows to me that I can do at least this well.

I cannot think of a sequence where white can capture either of my groups. He comes close with the trick I gave in the first three diagrams, but I have a counter to that.

By the way, I was more afraid of the sequence, which reverted to my previous thought. With the central group having a low number of eyes, I could possibly be in trouble. That is, I'm glad white didn't play this way:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O W O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That's because, things get dangerous with the low liberties I get trying to save my group:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 0 |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O 1 O 2 9 |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X 5 3 6 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . 7 X X 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . 0 X X X |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O O O X 2 |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 7 8 O X X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O 6 O O O O 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O 4 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X 3 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm11
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X X X |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X 1 O O O X X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O 2 X X X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O O X O X X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That sequence is bad for me, of course.

I had some ideas for countering it, but I guess I don't have to think about them now, because Magicwand played the move that he did. I hope I didn't miss anything, but I think I'm OK!

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 9:07 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm89 Move 89 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . W X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

wow.. nothing works... i shouldn't do this 1 sec reading and posting. :(
but ...no harm dont..i will use them as ko threat..
quality of game is substandard!!!! i will raise my standard of reading from now on.

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:37 pm
by Kirby
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[go]$$Bcm90 Move 90 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O B X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As we saw in some of the diagrams in my last post, this point is a key intersection for the liberties that I have in the corner.

This move also threatens to cut white apart. Depending on his response, I can use this move to get definite safety for my group, and hopefully sente for another big point on the board (or an attack, maybe).

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:54 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm91 Move 91 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
its only move..
i guess he lives at leaset i have influence in the middle.
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[go]$$Wcm91 Move 91 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O 3 O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:02 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$Bcm92 Move 92 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O B . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I get an eye or he gets cut off... Good deal!

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:11 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm93 Move 93 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X W |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
trick move to get sente.


edited comment
if he answers at 1 the i will play 2 which will save my group in sente.
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[go]$$Bc Move 93 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . O 3 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X W |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]