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Re: Trying to become pro
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:45 pm
by Shaddy
Redundant and I disagree.
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This game was played after a few drinks, when I was 2d and Red was 1-2k. We were playing pair-go on basis.
Re: Trying to become pro
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:46 pm
by AgntCooper
you know Leyleth, you may be right. I took a peek at your game records on KGS. Seems youve been winning way more than losing. So your rank actually could be stuck like people have mentioned. I dont know why you are waiting to make a new account...it only takes a few minutes. Continually playing people who you can just beat so easily isnt going to help you improve any!
Re: Trying to become pro
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:29 pm
by tapir
Shaddy wrote:Redundant and I disagree.
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(;W[do]WL[46.773]))
This game was played after a few drinks, when I was 2d and Red was 1-2k. We were playing pair-go on basis.
Two drunk people > one sober person
Re: Trying to become pro
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:03 pm
by speedchase
tapir wrote:Two drunk people > one sober person
Rengo is harder than solo go
Re: Trying to become pro
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:09 pm
by Numsgil
AgntCooper wrote:you know Leyleth, you may be right. I took a peek at your game records on KGS. Seems youve been winning way more than losing. So your rank actually could be stuck like people have mentioned. I dont know why you are waiting to make a new account...it only takes a few minutes. Continually playing people who you can just beat so easily isnt going to help you improve any!
No don't do it!
It doesn't take
that long for KGS to catch up, and you have the satisfaction of knowing when you reach x kyu that you are genuinely at least x kyu. It's too tempting to make junk accounts and sort of get lost in ratings madness.
For the curious, Leyleth's win rate is currently 70%:
Leyleth.
Re: Trying to become pro
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:19 am
by SoDesuNe
gowan wrote:It is not impossible to become a professional go player starting at your age. James Kerwin, pro shodan, finished college in the USA and then went to Japan to study to be a pro. He was the first Western player to become a pro at the Nihon Ki-in.
And so did Manfred Wimmer, first western professional Go player at all in Japan with the Kansai Ki-in at the age of 38(!). He even became 2p.
Though I guess you'll never make it to the top then ^^
Re: Trying to become pro
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:46 pm
by Leyleth
SoDesuNe wrote:gowan wrote:Though I guess you'll never make it to the top then ^^
GAAAAAH!!! Those words burn... I feel ashamed now, thx to you
Finally slept. It has been a while. I don't know if I'm stronger, but my first game went pretty well. Won by 31.5 points against a 6k. My rank isn't "stuck" like some people suggested. I see it more like a test. I got to prove without a doubt that I'm better than a 6k before getting my 5th kyu. I'm almost there, in 2-3 days, I'll be 5k.
Re: Trying to become pro
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:30 pm
by tapir
SoDesuNe wrote:And so did Manfred Wimmer, first western professional Go player at all in Japan with the Kansai Ki-in at the age of 38(!). He even became 2p.
Though I guess you'll never make it to the top then ^^
Do whatever you want, but don't take Manfred Wimmer as someone to emulate. Better shoot yourself or just take a better role model. Seriously.
Re: Trying to become pro
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:56 pm
by Kirby
tapir wrote:SoDesuNe wrote:And so did Manfred Wimmer, first western professional Go player at all in Japan with the Kansai Ki-in at the age of 38(!). He even became 2p.
Though I guess you'll never make it to the top then ^^
Do whatever you want, but don't take Manfred Wimmer as someone to emulate. Better shoot yourself or just take a better role model. Seriously.
What's wrong with Manfred Wimmer?
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:10 pm
by EdLee
Re: Trying to become pro
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:54 am
by SoDesuNe
tapir wrote:SoDesuNe wrote:And so did Manfred Wimmer, first western professional Go player at all in Japan with the Kansai Ki-in at the age of 38(!). He even became 2p.
Though I guess you'll never make it to the top then ^^
Do whatever you want, but don't take Manfred Wimmer as someone to emulate. Better shoot yourself or just take a better role model. Seriously.
He became pro - as a western Go player and at late age. I think, that's the only thing that really matters in respect to the thread title.
Re: Trying to become pro
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:51 pm
by Leyleth
Just beaten a 3k without handicap. Guess I'm getting stronger, even though I'm "stuck" at 6k. I'm climbing towards my fifth kyu, but it takes some time.
I feel like my go has changed. I don't play like before. Hopefully, it's a change for the best and it's a sign I'm getting stronger.
Slowly but surely, as they say...
Re: Trying to become pro
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:14 pm
by Marcus
We should play sometime, if you catch me on KGS. Surely beating me a few times will be a good learning experience.
Re: Trying to become pro
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:38 pm
by Phelan
I'd also like to play you, before you get too strong for me.
Let me know when you can play.
Re: Trying to become pro
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:20 pm
by Shaddy
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Japanese]SZ[19]HA[6]KM[0.50]TM[1200]OT[5x20 byo-yomi]PW[Shadonra]PB[Leyleth]WR[3d]BR[6k]DT[2012-01-03]PC[The KGS Go Server at
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Shadonra [3d\]: have a good game
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Shadonra [3d\]: review>?
Leyleth [6k\]: Thanks for the game
Leyleth [6k\]: Of course! You get the fun of crushing me, I get a review in exchange
Shadonra [3d\]: alrighty then
])
(;B[ff];W[ee]
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(;B[ed]C[I have the feeling black has enough points to win. Haven't counted though.])))
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(;B[ng]C[The vital point.]))
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