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Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:02 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X 1 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:05 am
by Sverre
The Intrepid wrote:
That's interesting. What sequence were you thinking of after the following response?


I'm not at all sure, I was just playing around with a few sequences. What happens after Black 3?
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 1 2 . 6 X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 3 X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 4 O O . O X . , . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:13 am
by The Intrepid
Sverre wrote:
What happens after Black 3?
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 1 2 . 6 X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 3 X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 4 O O . O X . , . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Sick sequence! I'll need to look at it again tomorrow, but cursory analysis suggests the following possible variation for White:
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[go]$$Bcm5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . O 8 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X O 7 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X 5 O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 O O O 6 O X . , . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . 2 X O X O O X . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . 3 X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm13
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . 2 O O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O O X . , . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . O X O X O O X . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . 1 X X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:01 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X 1 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X O 3 4 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X 5 X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . 6 . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this is what i expect but i didnt trigger it because he might choose to play something else.
if above happen, i think he might die.

Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:21 pm
by SoDesuNe
Magicwand wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X 1 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X O 3 4 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X 5 X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . 6 . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this is what i expect but i didnt trigger it because he might choose to play something else.
if above happen, i think he might die.


Only for observers:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 . . . X X X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 O 6 X . O X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 . 5 O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . 3 . X X X X X . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O 1 . 2 . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . 4 X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this lives.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . 2 4 X X X X X . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O 1 . 3 . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X 5 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But White can profit in Sente.

Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:49 pm
by Sverre
SoDesuNe wrote:
Only for observers:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 . . . X X X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 O 6 X . O X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 . 5 O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . 3 . X X X X X . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O 1 . 2 . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . 4 X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this lives.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . 2 4 X X X X X . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O 1 . 3 . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X 5 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But White can profit in Sente.


I think Black can play the other diagonal, to limit White's profit a bit?

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 . . . X X X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 O 2 X . O X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 1 O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | 7 . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . 3 5 X X X X X . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O 4 . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . 8 X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:59 pm
by skydyr
SoDesuNe wrote:Only for observers:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 . . . X X X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 O 6 X . O X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 . 5 O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . 3 . X X X X X . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O 1 . 2 . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . 4 X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this lives.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . 2 4 X X X X X . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O 1 . 3 . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X 5 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But White can profit in Sente.


The problem with this is that black's eye at J12 comes in gote, so white can attack black's eyeshape on the side right away and deny the second one.

EDIT: I missed magicwand's 6 a couple diagrams back, so nevermind.

Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:40 pm
by SoDesuNe
Sverre wrote:
SoDesuNe wrote:
Only for observers:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 . . . X X X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 O 6 X . O X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 . 5 O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . 3 . X X X X X . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O 1 . 2 . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . 4 X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this lives.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . 2 4 X X X X X . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O 1 . 3 . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X 5 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But White can profit in Sente.


I think Black can play the other diagonal, to limit White's profit a bit?

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 . . . X X X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 O 2 X . O X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 1 O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | 7 . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . 3 5 X X X X X . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O 4 . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . 8 X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Nice! Looks good! =)

Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:28 pm
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X 1 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . 3 X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can assure you all I haven't completely taken leave of my senses. I'm playing to save my stone in gote, but with a followup up of another eye. That way I have two gote half eyes, and if he removes one, the followup to get one here is sente, and there's hopefully enough around to get the other without too much issue. The other reason I like this is I can follow here:

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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X 1 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . 3 X X . O . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O a X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



And now "a" is hugely sente against the whole lower left White group. I may as well try and live and get something in the process, I know there's always an eye in the middle in gote for later (whilst making eyespace with the threat), and the aji on the left side against White's clump goes up in a big way like this.

Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:55 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X 1 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . 4 X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . 3 X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:50 pm
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X 1 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . 4 X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . 5 . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . 3 X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:13 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X 1 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . 4 X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | 6 5 7 X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | 8 3 X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:47 am
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 9 O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . O X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Keeping himself connected like that seems a bit ... overplayish? Does he really still think I'm on the road to dying? Maybe I am, that would be disappointing :P

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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X O a . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 1 X O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | 2 O X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . b . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | 4 O 5 . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X c O 9 . 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O 8 X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


With "a", "b", and "c" left, I hope this just lives

Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:55 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 0 X . O X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 9 O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . O X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:04 am
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . O X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]