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I think black maybe can kill or at least severely constrain white with something like this.Here is a better version of question 1:
White thinks this is the joseki:
...
But he is wrong and made a mistake, but also black let white get away with it. What did white do wrong and how should black have punished?
No, I mean why play this push atoca wrote:by push, do you meanUberdude wrote:oca, in question 3 your 8 doesn't kill, can you see how to live? Given that why push?like that ?
Hmm, But black has quite some problems on the outside too, I'm not sure what happens now! There is a simpler move for black 4 that gives an easy good result (better than the joseki for black).supernerd wrote: I think black maybe can kill or at least severely constrain white with something like this.
is quite interesting. Now if 
connects, after 
White is still in trouble. and now Black switches to . White can take and live in sente, as in the joseki, but now if White plays , Black can play elsewhere.I like this guy!supernerd wrote:I think black maybe can kill or at least severely constrain white with something like this.Here is a better version of question 1:
White thinks this is the joseki:
...
But he is wrong and made a mistake, but also black let white get away with it. What did white do wrong and how should black have punished?
How about this?
. If 
takes , then 
at 7, similar to the previous variation. In this variation Black aims at "a".My first though was: this guy is putting us on.supernerd wrote:Greetings,
I have heard that double digit kyus should not study Joseki but wait until anywhere from 9k to 1d depending on who you ask. Supposedly it is to avoid the trap of rote learning patterns without really understanding why they work or how context alters their application. (EDIT: I am 19 ky on kgs btw)
I was intending to wait until at least 9k before learning josekis. Unfortunately I accidently learned the basic Joseki for san-san invasion when the oppoenent has a single stone on 4-4, because someone showed me this on kgs. Now I cannot ever unsee it. (I have tried)
Is this a bad thing? I have been able to use this joseki succesfully as both attacker and defender in a couple games, and punish a few opponents who didn't follow the joseki. It is such a basic and intuitive sequence that I feel I really do understand it. Also, know I don't know how I lived without it, since it has been so useful.
I also have begun to involentarily pick up the start of a couple few joseki against the knights jump attack against the hoshi from exposure to this in kgs game reviews. I am tempted to try and learn some of these because I get these attacks alot and usually fumble blindly against them. However, I have been wary because of the above advice.
Today, however, curiosity and the allure of forbidden knowledge got the better of me, and I peeked into my friend's basic book on Joeski for about an hour.This was really interesting but there are so many complex things I see why I should hold off.
However, I think I could still benefit from learning just two or three more of the really simple and common joseki's at my current level, and not harm myself too much.
What do you guys think?
. 
- , looks both ways. 
protects his two stones on the left. But then:
pushes out. Now if 
, 
makes a ladder.
stones. In exchange, the 
stones are vulnerable. Here is one variation. Note that 
and 
are sente, making use of the aji of the stones.Hits the nail on the head, I think.Bantari wrote:[..]
Joseki are patterns of good/optimal/perfect play, and so there is absolutely nothing wrong with learning them. [..] All the warnings against joseki that I have seen were with the intent of preventing you from rote memorization [..] To me, learning is the same as studying, but different from memorization. [..]
Using my mediocre analysis skills, I'd say that this result is playable by both sides. Neither side seems to have a huge advantage. Yes, black has an extra stone on top, but white has sente. If anything, I think the result of the two joseki on that side lead to that stone being over-concentrated. Perhaps white can pull ahead with a larger move.EdLee wrote:Illuck, that WeChat snapshot is worth much more than the proverbial 1,000 words.
So much interesting stuff !!!
I thought about none of that when I saw the photo.moyoaji wrote:I'd say that this result is playable by both sides.
