Re: I'm trying to get fit!
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:23 pm
With all my respect, that guy is just trying to advertise his blog!
Life In 19x19
Life in 19x19. Go, Weiqi, Baduk... Thats the life.
https://www.lifein19x19.com/
I'm trying to get fit!
Page 2 of 2
Re: I'm trying to get fit!
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:25 pm
It's ok, we know chef from the godiscussions.com days.
Re: I'm trying to get fit!
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:52 am
It's funny, the same weights vs. bodyweight debate always crops up in the parkour community too. I would say that I've seen immensely strong and fit individuals from both camps. Eg. If pushups are too easy do 1 hand, when that's too easy do handstand pushups, when that's too easy clapping handstand pushups, when that's too easy stop taking steroids, freak. 
I have to say that for me, excercise is a lot like studying go: find what you enjoy and do that and you're bound to see some improvment. If it's not the optimal, who cares? You're not a professional athlete... (unless you are). I can't do excercise without another activity though, I quickly lose interest. Hence, capoeira and parkour keep me fit, and give me a reason to keep fit. (Just running in 2D is boring too, give me walls and rails any day.)
I have to say that for me, excercise is a lot like studying go: find what you enjoy and do that and you're bound to see some improvment. If it's not the optimal, who cares? You're not a professional athlete... (unless you are). I can't do excercise without another activity though, I quickly lose interest. Hence, capoeira and parkour keep me fit, and give me a reason to keep fit. (Just running in 2D is boring too, give me walls and rails any day.)
Re: I'm trying to get fit!
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:08 am
Awww, I wanted to see pics of you running down the road with a dumbell in each handwms wrote:I've found that combining running and weightlifting gives me the best workout. I've tried each alone, but as long as I do both together I've found that it is easy for me to keep my weight down at healthy levels. I used to do 6 workouts per week (3 of each), but since my kids were born 8 years ago I've dropped to only one of each. This seems enough to keep healthy. I've lost a fair amount of strength and speed since dropping way back so much, but I'm still in pretty good shape and as far as blood pressure, cholesterol, etc., I'm doing fine.
Different things work for different people, but this is what does well for me with a minimum of time. Plus running and weightlifting are both things that I enjoy so it's easy for me to keep them up.
Edit: Just to clarify, by "both together" I don't mean weightlifting and runing at the same time or even in the same day. I mean doing both exercises regularly, but on different days.
Re: I'm trying to get fit!
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:14 am
Well, yes and no. It'll be far less beneficial, but if you restrict your calorie intake enough, you'll still lose weight, even if you do no exercise at all.fwiffo wrote:Likewise, any diet is virtually useless without proper exercise.
And if, for example, you already take a reasonable amount of exercise, then restricting your diet will lead to weight-loss and increased health.
The 23lb I've lost in the last year says so quite convincingly.
Re: I'm trying to get fit!
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:22 am
The biggest problem with dieting without exercise is that the pounds you lose won't be the best kind. If you lose muscle, your metabolism will become slower and you'll have a harder time maintaining the lower weight. If you engage in at least some moderate exercise, you'll reduce the amount of muscle you lose in favor of losing fat, keeping your metabolism burning and give you a nicer body-shape.
Of course, as in go, and everything else in life, the key is balance. Too much of one thing or the other is as bad as too little. You'll actually be fairly miserable if you stick to a "perfect" diet. Even the very serious athletes have "cheat" days. Likewise, too much exercise, or too much of a particular kind of exercise will interfere with your life, make you give up out of frustration, or even tear your body down if you get to the point of over-training.
Of course, as in go, and everything else in life, the key is balance. Too much of one thing or the other is as bad as too little. You'll actually be fairly miserable if you stick to a "perfect" diet. Even the very serious athletes have "cheat" days. Likewise, too much exercise, or too much of a particular kind of exercise will interfere with your life, make you give up out of frustration, or even tear your body down if you get to the point of over-training.
Re: I'm trying to get fit!
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:46 pm
But again - it's really very common for people who are fat to already have a decent level of muscle, to do sufficient exercise already, but to need to lose fat deposits without needing to gain muscle.fwiffo wrote:The biggest problem with dieting without exercise is that the pounds you lose won't be the best kind. If you lose muscle, your metabolism will become slower and you'll have a harder time maintaining the lower weight. If you engage in at least some moderate exercise, you'll reduce the amount of muscle you lose in favor of losing fat, keeping your metabolism burning and give you a nicer body-shape.
Of course, as in go, and everything else in life, the key is balance. Too much of one thing or the other is as bad as too little. You'll actually be fairly miserable if you stick to a "perfect" diet. Even the very serious athletes have "cheat" days. Likewise, too much exercise, or too much of a particular kind of exercise will interfere with your life, make you give up out of frustration, or even tear your body down if you get to the point of over-training.
Fundamentally, fat does not equate to unfit. And it irritates me considerably - that as a fat person (even if much less so), I am assumed to be unfit. Where actually, I am and always have been quite fit. Eminently capable of, e.g., climbing mountains far more rapidly than a thin person who never exercises, or of swimming more lengths faster than them, or whatever.
Many thin people are unfit and unhealthy and need to take more exercise irrespective of their diets. Many fat people are perfectly fit, just with extra fat deposits which diet can well remedy without adding more exercise to their routines.
Re: I'm trying to get fit!
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:56 pm
Tell that to these guy.fwiffo wrote:I think it's easy to underestimate the value of hitting the weights. Add a few pounds of muscle, and you burn more calories all the time. Calisthenics like push-ups pretty quickly become too easy and it's hard to add additional weight. Once you get to even like 15-20 reps, there's almost no benefit to doing more (if you want to work on endurance, running or whatever is better). One major exception are pull-ups. They're harder to start with and you can add weight with a weight belt or holding a dumbbell between your feet.
I respect your interest in keeping things simple and not wanting to add equipment, but at least consider adding some sort of weight training down the road once you get broken in and your back is better. It doesn't have to be complicated. Hitting the major compound lifts a couple times a week will make a world of difference.
Of course, the exercise routine is only part of the battle. You will have lackluster progress without proper nutrition. Likewise, any diet is virtually useless without proper exercise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9QeitaeBrY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLCWMVkM ... re=related
This is what I'd like to emulate. Since calisthenics involving only body, at the higher levels involves mostly core strength, it makes you a more well rounded athlete. Plus I just really want to keep it simple. A combination of both weight training and aerobic exercise won't give me the core strength that I'm looking for.
Nutrition wise, I just eat very clean, simple and natural foods. I know there's alot more to it but I'm too lazy to layout my entire nutritional regime. But it's not a super strict, bodybuilder diet.
Re: I'm trying to get fit!
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:24 pm
That's some impressive upper body strength and endurance, but nothing for the legs. I guess that's where running comes in. Btw, why do you want core strength? Is it severely lacking and affecting other things? I see it mainly as a vehicle that allows me to do other things better and without risking injury.chef wrote:Tell that to these guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9QeitaeBrY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLCWMVkM ... re=related
This is what I'd like to emulate. Since calisthenics involving only body, at the higher levels involves mostly core strength, it makes you a more well rounded athlete. Plus I just really want to keep it simple. A combination of both weight training and aerobic exercise won't give me the core strength that I'm looking for.
Re: I'm trying to get fit!
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:03 am
Hmm.. It seems I must have forgotten about 23 July, what are you referring to? I know one thing but I'd be very surprised if that was what you were thinking about.Helel wrote:@CarlJung
Just in case the purpose is to attract females of the opposite sex, (or men for that matter), you haven't forgotten the 23 July have you?
Re: I'm trying to get fit!
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:49 am
Helel wrote:Well, you would have to think 5 years back. But maybe I am only confused, wouldn't be the first time.
Why you little...
Now I'm sure I know who you are
Well played.Re: I'm trying to get fit!
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:36 pm
They have moves that strengthen legs. Sissy squats being the bulk of their leg routine.CarlJung wrote:That's some impressive upper body strength and endurance, but nothing for the legs. I guess that's where running comes in. Btw, why do you want core strength? Is it severely lacking and affecting other things? I see it mainly as a vehicle that allows me to do other things better and without risking injury.chef wrote:Tell that to these guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9QeitaeBrY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLCWMVkM ... re=related
This is what I'd like to emulate. Since calisthenics involving only body, at the higher levels involves mostly core strength, it makes you a more well rounded athlete. Plus I just really want to keep it simple. A combination of both weight training and aerobic exercise won't give me the core strength that I'm looking for.
I'm focusing on core to be more resilient to injury and for a better overall athletic foundation.
Re: I'm trying to get fit!
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:59 pm
Are we suggesting that you can only do pull ups, dips, hanging knee raises etc or weights and running
Because I do all of those
Shamefully, I still can only do assisted pullups and dips, but I'm almost there. My friends who are half a foot + shorter than me don't know why I find them so hard.
I suggest creating a progressive regime (with help from someone who (really)knows what they're doing, ideally, though I guess the internet can probably also tell you). That way you can target the muscles you like, and measure your progress. Also, I've found kinda ritualising going to the gym helps me a lot (what do I do Tuesday nights ? It's day 2 at the gym.) I know many people I've talked to have found that they can keep an exercise regime going when they're going to the gym, but when they buy a treadmill and proprietary strength machine for their house virtually never use them.
Because I do all of those
Shamefully, I still can only do assisted pullups and dips, but I'm almost there. My friends who are half a foot + shorter than me don't know why I find them so hard.
I suggest creating a progressive regime (with help from someone who (really)knows what they're doing, ideally, though I guess the internet can probably also tell you). That way you can target the muscles you like, and measure your progress. Also, I've found kinda ritualising going to the gym helps me a lot (what do I do Tuesday nights ? It's day 2 at the gym.) I know many people I've talked to have found that they can keep an exercise regime going when they're going to the gym, but when they buy a treadmill and proprietary strength machine for their house virtually never use them.