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#250 amatterof v. Joaz Banbeck

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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:22 pm
by EdLee
Hi Bill,
( Diagrams rotated for space. :) )

About the :b14: atari in this variation:
amatterof wrote:My hope is for something like this:
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[go]$$Wm7
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ . , . . 3 2 . X 5 . . |
$$ . . X . 8 O 6 . 7 . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]
( For beginners. ) Later, if :w1: descends:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ . , e . O X . X O . . |
$$ . . B c X O X . W . . |
$$ . . . d a 1 b . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]
Then --
If :black: (a), then :white: (b) connects back to :wc: .
If :black: (b), then :white: has (c), (d), (e) to hurt :bc: .

Hi Bill, how about the 2nd line atari :b1: instead ?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ . , j . O X . X O . . |
$$ . . X h f O X . O . . |
$$ . . . k g 1 . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]
Later --
If :white: (f) connects, then :black: (g) simply links up. ( :white: heavy. )
If :white: (h) tiger's mouth, then :black: (f) ponnuki, or, :black: (j) fights, or :black: (k) links up.

Re: #250 amatterof v. Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:41 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
My initial reaction is to take him down a path in which he has few reasonable options but to play 2 through 8 like this:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ----------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 X . W 7 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 4 6 b 8 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
...and then see how important influence is to him. :rambo:

His :b2: is a cutting stone, but anything it does is going to be overshadowed by my tengen stone.
I still have 'a' for a small but tolerable life if he wants to try to activate C6, and 'b' is a nagging shape issue for him.

Re: #250 amatterof v. Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:24 pm
by amatterof
jeromie wrote:The comments from both sides (and from Bill and Ed) are great so far. I'm going to enjoy following this game!
It definitely has the look of an exciting game, and I will be very curious to see what Bill, Ed, and others have to say. I haven't been able to finish a Malkovich game yet to see how others react to my comments, so if there is anything I can do to make them better/more interesting, please let me know.

Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:36 pm
by EdLee
amatterof wrote:if there is anything I can do to make them better/more interesting,
Usually people enjoy it if both sides think they're winning. :)

Re: #250 amatterof v. Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:00 pm
by Bill Spight
Hi, Ed. :)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wm7
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ . , . . 3 2 . X 5 . . |
$$ . . B . 8 O 6 . 7 . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]
It's true I don't like this for Black. The :bc: stone is misplaced.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wm7
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ . , . . 3 2 . X 5 . . |
$$ . . X . . O . . 6 . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]
But I would resist like this. After which it gets complicated. ;)

See also Joaz's idea. :)

Re: #250 amatterof v. Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:00 pm
by Loons
cf.sgf
(2.41 KiB) Downloaded 931 times
To elucidate, in our game white got both desirable directions.

Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:17 pm
by EdLee
Hi Bill, :)
Thanks.
Bill Spight wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wm7
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ . , . . 3 2 . X 5 . . |
$$ . . X . . O . . 6 . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]
The mistake seems to be the attach :w11: , in the original var.

The :w1: attach is for this kind of situation, when B cannot hane at (a) (and can only atari (b) ):
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[go]$$W
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . , . . O X . X 1 . . |
$$ . . . X X O b . a . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]
After the hane :b6: , then even with the simple :b8: atari, B gets a good local result:
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[go]$$W
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ . . . . . 4 . . 7 . . |
$$ . , . . 3 2 . X 5 . . |
$$ . . X . . O 8 . 6 . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]
So in the original var, both the attach :w11: and the immediate tiger's mouth :b12: were mistakes:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wm7
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ . , . . 3 2 . X 5 . . |
$$ . . X . 8 O 6 . 7 . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]
Instead of the attach, W should jump to 3-3 with :w5: :
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[go]$$W
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ . , . . 3 2 . X . . . |
$$ . . X . . O . . 5 . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

Re: #250 amatterof v. Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:57 pm
by amatterof
I'm very curious what Ed and Bill are debating so much, but if I'm lucky, they've noticed that I keep switching the move orders around in my diagrams for the lower left, and saying inconsistent things about the D7-E6 exchange. The reason for this is simply that I don't know these joseki terribly well. It's a bit frustrating, because I feel like I need to know them and many other things better in order to break through my current wall (which is why I called my study journal "Filling in the Gaps").

I'm adding these joseki to the long list of things I need to study, but for now (and mostly for my own reference), here is my scratchpad board trying to reason out which sequences are joseki and what the proper move orders are: http://eidogo.com/#2vEvV2PQ9 Hopefully when the game is over, I can come back here and learn something. :-)

Re: #250 amatterof v. Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:17 pm
by Bill Spight
Hi, Ed. :)
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[go]$$Wc
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ . , . . 3 2 . X 6 . . |
$$ . . X . 8 O . 7 5 . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]
I don't think that :w5: is good, because of :b8:.
I have no reference that says that :w1: is joseki.

Re: #250 amatterof v. Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:33 am
by Joaz Banbeck
For reasons described earlier...
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 6 . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 7 . . . , . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Trigger:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 6 . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 0 8 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 7 . . . , . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #250 amatterof v. Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:15 am
by Uberdude
Bill:
Bill Spight wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ . , . . 3 2 . X 6 . . |
$$ . . X . 8 O . 7 5 . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]
I don't think that :w5: is good, because of :b8:.
I have no reference that says that :w1: is joseki.
Your joseki books are too old! 1 is very common these days, particularly with the resurgence of the 2 space pincer against the inside approach in the orthodox opening, and this high counter pincer is a common choice. However it is far more common for white to immediately play 3-3 (at 5) rather than hane, black blocks from the high stone (at 6) and then white hanes. Black usually takes the bulge point, allowing the atari, but sometimes he does extend and it reverts to the shape above (which continues with white connect, black connect, white 2nd line atari and then take sente). The reason white plays 3-3 before hane is the exchange of hane for extend becomes very bad if you then 3-3 and black takes the bulge point. amatterof was aware of this but thought it was worth it to get the direction he wanted of linking to the 4th line stone, but I disagree with that (and his 4th line stone is not actually connected, black can cut there, and with some power as he has the ladder).
Ed:
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[go]$$B
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ . , j . O X . X O . . |
$$ . . X h f O X . O . . |
$$ . . . k g 1 . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]
Yes, this 1 is a better shape for black.

Re:

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:25 am
by skydyr
EdLee wrote:
amatterof wrote:if there is anything I can do to make them better/more interesting,
Usually people enjoy it if both sides think they're winning. :)
Or losing. :)

Re: #250 amatterof v. Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:42 am
by amatterof
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm9
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . 3 . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm not quite sure what the rules are regarding triggers. To be safe, I'm hitting submit on this post before looking at the trigger, and will edit it with my next move if I hit the trigger.

Edit: Trigger hit.

For observers:
I didn't talk about the potential that Black would still attach on top in any of my previous posts. I knew the possibility existed in the back of my head, and should have guessed that it would happen given :b6:, but for some reason didn't think to analyze it. I'll need to be more careful about covering the universe of possible black plays before deciding on a path in the rest of this game.

Just as I didn't know the 3-3 invasion josekis all that well, I'm not terribly familiar with this one either. First, some basic principles/thoughts: Black's move calls out that White has created 2 groups, and aims to keep them separated. Thus, for purposes of evaluating results here, Black will succeed if he completely kills one group (ie, consolidates the corner and one side); White will succeed if he can make strong groups both on the bottom and in the corner/side; and an even result will likely involve one strong white group in one of those spots, and aji in the other.

Next, possible moves. The hane seems like the obvious choice, but I can see a few other options that might work as well:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 6 . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . d 8 a . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X b 7 . . . , . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
  • A - The hane makes sense. White's goal is to make two strong groups from his two currently weak ones, and the way to get stronger is to play contact moves.
  • B - This also makes the bottom-side group strong, but it has two related problems. First, it plays into a situation where Black has played a hane at the head of two stones, which is good shape for him and bad shape for me. Second, it starts to damage the corner aji more than I'd like. I need to make my group strong while leaving as much potential in the corner/left side as possible.
  • C - Seems creative and interesting in a let's-be-crazy sort of way, but again seems to only be looking for 1 live group.
  • D - This seems like a gross overplay, particularly since the ladder doesn't work for White.
To try to make this a bit more clear for observers, here are the results I would predict if I tried B or C. Notice also that both are gote for White.
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[go]$$W Rough Predictions
$$ | . . . , . . . . | . . . , . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . | . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . | . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . | . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . | . . O . . . .
$$ | . . 7 6 2 X . . | . . . . 8 X .
$$ | . . 5 X 1 O b . | . . 2 X 5 O .
$$ | . . 4 3 8 . . . | . 6 1 3 4 9 .
$$ | . . a 9 0 . . . | . . . . 7 . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . | . . . . . . .
$$ --------------------------------[/go]
Now for my selected move. The obvious Black response is to draw back (I expect this is Joaz's trigger), after which I'll need to decide which way to connect my two stones, the hanging connection (A) or the solid connection (B). (I briefly looked at Black extending to the X spot instead and concluded it would be an overplay. But I didn't spend too much time on it.)
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . x . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O b a . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The advantage to A is that it works better when Black tries to build up the middle and use his tengen stone, like so:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . 4 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . 3 . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If I had played the solid connection instead, :b6: would be a more powerful move, aiming to consolidate the left side and kill C6 on a larger scale. Because of the hanging connection, however, I can also respond strongly and C6 retains most of its aji. In addition, I'll be building some very nice thickness to come to O3.

The advantage of B is that it removes aji along the bottom-side, which, in turn, increases my aji in the corner. With the hanging connection, Black can try to consolidate the corner by poking at White's shape. However, when I studied this, I couldn't find good real way for Black to completely eliminate the corner aji.

So, I guess I'm predicting some sort of development along these lines, which looks OK for White:
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[go]$$Wc :w9: at a or b (probably b)
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . 6 7 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . 3 . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . a . 4 5 . . . . . . . b . . . . . |
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Or maybe:
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$$ | . ? . X . O . 3 . , . . . . . X . . . |
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If :b4: peeps at G3, it's pretty annoying though, and I'm still working on the best response there.
For observers (regarding the trigger):
At least I'm not completely off track. Also glad to see I was right in not spending too much time looking at :b10: at F6.

The hanging connection still seems like the right plan. Now to see how Black tries to erase the C3 and C6 aji.

As a side note, I'm very happy that I have C14 in place. Even if Black builds lots of thickness, that stone is working beautifully to prevent Black from developing something really scary.

Re: #250 amatterof v. Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:27 am
by Bill Spight
Thanks, Uberdude! :)
Uberdude wrote: Your joseki books are too old!
And here I was just getting into the joseki of the 1830s. :mrgreen:

Re: #250 amatterof v. Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:46 am
by Joaz Banbeck
@amatterof: Your handling of the trigger looks fine to me.

Bill Spight wrote:Thanks, Uberdude! :)
Uberdude wrote: Your joseki books are too old!
And here I was just getting into the joseki of the 1830s. :mrgreen:

I can't wait to go back and look at the comments.

@everyone except amatterof: If we reach the point where the comments are not affecting the current game, please go back and unhide them. Thanks.
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