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Re: beginner getting destroyed

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:05 am
by SoDesuNe
Stefany93 wrote:
Harleqin wrote:Play on smaller boards.



Smaller boards are for kids. If you are a kid, you are welcome to play on them, but if you are not a kid, play on normal boards. Then you will improve greatly.



That just doesn't relate to each other.
Without the knowledge of making use of your stones, especially how (far) and in which direction to extend to make a base or form the outlines of a framework, bigger boards is mere wide and unknown space for a beginner. If you just play contact fights all over, you can do that on a smaller board in lesser time, I don't think the result would be different.
I find 13*13 (15*15?) quite good for starters.
On the other side, I know kids, who easily destroy me on a 19*19 board.

Re: beginner getting destroyed

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:57 am
by Harleqin
Stefany93 wrote:
Harleqin wrote:Play on smaller boards.

Smaller boards are for kids. If you are a kid, you are welcome to play on them, but if you are not a kid, play on normal boards. Then you will improve greatly.


If you have not understood 4x4, why do you think that you can understand 9x9, let alone 19x19?

Re: beginner getting destroyed

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:59 am
by judicata
Stefany93 wrote:
Harleqin wrote:Play on smaller boards.



Smaller boards are for kids. If you are a kid, you are welcome to play on them, but if you are not a kid, play on normal boards. Then you will improve greatly.



This is just not true. Starting on smaller boards can be extremely helpful.

Re: beginner getting destroyed

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:35 am
by Stefany93
Small boards are for go players that are not serious. No offence meant! It is go, not chess. No offence again!

Re: beginner getting destroyed

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:48 am
by Harleqin
Stefany93 wrote:Small boards are for go players that are not serious. No offence meant! It is go, not chess. No offence again!


No, I do not think it is offensive. I think that you simply have no idea what you are talking about.

Re: beginner getting destroyed

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:55 am
by Suji
Stefany93 wrote:Small boards are for go players that are not serious. No offence meant! It is go, not chess. No offence again!


With all due respect, smaller boards are great for learning the game. They also help with tactics and life and death, so they can't be completely bad. The transition from a 9x9 to a 19x19 is huge yes, but the tactical mistakes will hopefully be gone.

Re: beginner getting destroyed

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:31 pm
by Harleqin
Let me put it another way: the mistakes that prevent you from becoming a single digit kyu can all be corrected on a 9x9 board, with the additional benefit that there are less distractions.

Re: beginner getting destroyed

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:48 pm
by SpongeBob
Harleqin wrote:Let me put it another way: the mistakes that prevent you from becoming a single digit kyu can all be corrected on a 9x9 board, with the additional benefit that there are less distractions.

Single digit kyu is already quite strong, you should have lots of experience on 19x19 by then. Playing on a 9x9 board is not a bad advice, but I think it would be even more helpful if some single digit kyu would have a look at the game on 19x19 and explain some basics there.

So, just go to KGS and ask if someone can have a look at your game. I am sure somebody will be glad to help.

Re: beginner getting destroyed

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:04 pm
by xed_over
Stefany93 wrote:Small boards are for go players that are not serious.

well, its true that many, many go players learned to play on normal sized boards and have never touched a smaller go board. Its true that playing on smaller go boards is not necessary for learning this great game. And it should not necessarily be the preferred recommendation for a beginner who has gotten stuck and wants to improve.

But... there are indeed some very interesting and useful things that can be learned on smaller boards -- even at higher levels. If you haven't tried it, you really don't know what you're missing.

Re: beginner getting destroyed

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:04 pm
by TominNJ
As suggested by several of you, I put my latest game in the game analysis section. My opponent left so I didn't get to play it out.

Thanks for any advice and or comments you can offer.

Re: beginner getting destroyed

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:26 pm
by Bill Spight
Stefany93 wrote:Small boards are for go players that are not serious.


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B Black to play.
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$$ | X X . O . |
$$ | O O O O . |
$$ | X X X X X |
$$ | . . . O . |
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Problem by Fukui Masaaki. :)

Re: beginner getting destroyed

Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:40 pm
by Suji
Bill Spight wrote:
Stefany93 wrote:Small boards are for go players that are not serious.


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B Black to play.
$$ -----------
$$ | . O . . . |
$$ | X X . O . |
$$ | O O O O . |
$$ | X X X X X |
$$ | . . . O . |
$$ -----------[/go]


Problem by Fukui Masaaki. :)


Okay, I'll bite.

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[go]$$B Black to play.
$$ -----------
$$ | . O 3 . 4 |
$$ | X X 5 O 1 |
$$ | O O O O 2 |
$$ | X X X X X |
$$ | . . . O . |
$$ -----------[/go]

Re: beginner getting destroyed

Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:53 pm
by Bill Spight
Suji wrote:
Bill Spight wrote:
Stefany93 wrote:Small boards are for go players that are not serious.


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B Black to play.
$$ -----------
$$ | . O . . . |
$$ | X X . O . |
$$ | O O O O . |
$$ | X X X X X |
$$ | . . . O . |
$$ -----------[/go]


Problem by Fukui Masaaki. :)


Okay, I'll bite.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B Black to play.
$$ -----------
$$ | . O 3 . 4 |
$$ | X X 5 O 1 |
$$ | O O O O 2 |
$$ | X X X X X |
$$ | . . . O . |
$$ -----------[/go]


White has better play.

Re: beginner getting destroyed

Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:16 pm
by Suji
I'm going to have to think about this. How close did I actually come to the right answer on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being solved?

Re: beginner getting destroyed

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:15 am
by Harleqin
Suji wrote:I'm going to have to think about this. How close did I actually come to the right answer on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being solved?


Your starting move is right, but White can get a better result after that (at least pointwise).