Life In 19x19

John Fairbairn wrote:Two questions, if I may:

(1) The game shown is not complete. The dame moves matter as they enhance Bo's achievement. Are the extra moves available and is the above record really correct?

(2) Why did they play even? I'd have expected an amateur to take a handicap out of respect, especially one who is giving himself a major handicap of another kind.

(1) What do you mean? The dame moves are part of the above game record.

(2) The amateur didn't "respect" the pros during the rest of the week as he won the congress with a 9-0 record. Is it really a major handicap for Bao Yun? I mean, he's done it in simultaneous games before.

John Fairbairn wrote:Two questions, if I may:

(1) The game shown is not complete. The dame moves matter as they enhance Bo's achievement. Are the extra moves available and is the above record really correct?

(2) Why did they play even? I'd have expected an amateur to take a handicap out of respect, especially one who is giving himself a major handicap of another kind.

Yes - as explo said - there may have been a mis-click, which causes the initial branch to end early. You can see this, and adjust accordingly.

Not in a position to comment on your second question.

Uberdude wrote:The main homepage news has various articles on the congress, and here is the top-division "crosstab"* (Bao Yun won all his games):

http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crossta ... matrix/176

* a.k.a results table, but they don't renumber players based on result ranking as we do in Europe so looking up opponents is tedious.

Here's a different link that renumbers players (includes masters and main open section). But they must have been really busy at end because the last few rounds of the open are not there.

http://live.gocongress.org/?page_id=91

1) The transcriber made a misclick on move 212 so the main variation of the sgf is not the complete game variation: go to the variation for the continuation. (It is a rather annoying shortcoming of KGS/CGoban now that it is used extensively for broadcasts that scribes cannot delete wrong moves).
2) Bao is a strong Chinese 6d and can beat Asian pros even. He reckons playing blind is a handicap of about one stone, so even against a western pro seems sensible to me. In the main tournament he beat 2 AGA 1ps (including Eric), 2 Chinese 1ps and 1 Japanese 1p (and no loses), so the idea he is weaker than low-dan / weaker pros is obviously false. Here I am assuming "respect" means thinking they are stronger than you, perhaps you don't mean this, and the title of professional should lead to taking handicap even if you are stronger? I could see this applying with some top young amateur (e.g. Ilya Shikshin before he became pro) versus some elderly Japanese high dan pro who is a lot weaker now than he was decades ago, but not from Eric a 20-something recent AGA pro against a 30-something top Chinese 6d.

Uberdude wrote:The main homepage news has various articles on the congress, and here is the top-division "crosstab"* (Bao Yun won all his games):

http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crossta ... matrix/176

* a.k.a results table, but they don't renumber players based on result ranking as we do in Europe so looking up opponents is tedious.

It appears that they show the opponents in the mouseover text. I suppose it's better than nothing, but that breaks all sort of accessibility rules and is an awful way to actually present information on a web site.

Uberdude wrote:The main homepage news has various articles on the congress, and here is the top-division "crosstab"* (Bao Yun won all his games):

http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crossta ... matrix/176

* a.k.a results table, but they don't renumber players based on result ranking as we do in Europe so looking up opponents is tedious.

That link does not really help (I switched it to the Open, not the masters) as it gives no SOS or SODOS or rank info, so there is no clue as to who is leading. I have noticed this from the AGA before. It seems they don't care about letting people know the leader board.

DrStraw wrote:

Uberdude wrote:The main homepage news has various articles on the congress, and here is the top-division "crosstab"* (Bao Yun won all his games):

http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crossta ... matrix/176

* a.k.a results table, but they don't renumber players based on result ranking as we do in Europe so looking up opponents is tedious.

That link does not really help (I switched it to the Open, not the masters) as it gives no SOS or SODOS or rank info, so there is no clue as to who is leading. I have noticed this from the AGA before. It seems they don't care about letting people know the leader board.

Take a look at my other post up above - there is an alternate link.

mhlepore wrote:Take a look at my other post up above - there is an alternate link.

I did. That one is not really very user friendly either with all those scroll bars. But at least it has ranking.

There is active development in progress to improve the results tables on the AGA website. (and the congress website is different -- and run by different staff)

And yes, I misclicked while recording the blindfold game. I thought I had corrected it before I uploaded it to the website. I must have forgotten in the rush to publish, sorry.

DrStraw wrote:

mhlepore wrote:Take a look at my other post up above - there is an alternate link.

I did. That one is not really very user friendly either with all those scroll bars. But at least it has ranking.

All six rounds now available at congress website: http://live.gocongress.org/?page_id=91.

If the scrollbars bother you, you can highlight the contents and copy/paste into excel.

Can the AGA post direct links to the google spreadsheets? That would be much easier to view than the embedded frame version.

Actually here I just copy/pasted it myself:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

yoyoma wrote:Can the AGA post direct links to the google spreadsheets? That would be much easier to view than the embedded frame version.

Actually here I just copy/pasted it myself:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Look at you - nice!

Actually the AGA cross-tabs are updated and are different than the version at go congress.org. Problem is the AGA site just doesn't show the SOS, etc., that determine tiebreaks. So yes, your solution would be a good one...

yoyoma wrote:Can the AGA post direct links to the google spreadsheets?

The AGA is not the GoCongress -- two different entities (that have a very close relationship with each other -- until there is trouble)