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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:49 pm
by DrStraw
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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:49 pm
by Kirby
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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:09 pm
by DrStraw
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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:29 pm
by Bill Spight
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WcKirby wrote: I expect him to attack my group next. Not yet sure if I will continue locally, or try something in a different area. I guess it depends on his response.
should be predictable, as the Eye Stealing Tesuji.
is bad for two reasons. First, it invites the eye stealing tesuji when White wants to make eyes. Second, it makes
look better, because it protects
from capture.
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The one space jump is obviously better.
Also, Kirby's mention of "my group" may indicate a problem with his thinking. In this game we expect that most of White's stones will die, so that some of them will live. White has to be ready to sacrifice stones. Thinking of his stones as a unit may make it psychologically difficult to sacrifice some of them. Kirby's
almost connects
and
, pretty much making them into a group.
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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:34 pm
by Kirby
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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:40 pm
by DrStraw
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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:09 pm
by Kirby
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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:48 am
by DrStraw
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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:02 am
by Uberdude
DrStraw wrote:
I thought the goal was for you to live, not for you to kill some of my stones.
I've only played/watched this game a few times so am far from an expert in it, but I have found often one does live by killing some stones in a counterattack (because they had to over-attack and get cut/bad shape to deny you 2 eyes), though this will obviously only happen after many moves have been played with barely dead fragments scattered across the board so can't be an initial aim.
Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:59 am
by hyperpape
Uberdude wrote: I've only played/watched this game a few times so am far from an expert in it, but I have found often one does live by killing some stones in a counterattack (because they had to over-attack and get cut/bad shape to deny you 2 eyes), though this will obviously only happen after many moves have been played with barely dead fragments scattered across the board so can't be an initial aim.
It does seem like playing that way directly will just push Black to solidify his own shape. After N13, the upper right quadrant seems like it'll be very inhospitable for White, right? I guess white could try N13-M12 to not quite settle things as much. Does that make any sense?
Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:42 am
by Kirby
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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:22 pm
by DrStraw
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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:28 pm
by Bill Spight
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Funny how Kirby seems to keep inviting good plays by White.
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Surely this is better.
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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:26 pm
by Kirby
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Re: Will someone play the killing game with me?
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:50 pm
by DrStraw
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should be predictable, as the Eye Stealing Tesuji. 
is bad for two reasons. First, it invites the eye stealing tesuji when White wants to make eyes. Second, it makes 
look better, because it protects 
from capture. 
and 
, pretty much making them into a group.