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Re: Why climu left ASR and his concern about it.

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:27 pm
by Noriko
Thank you for sharing, climu. I was debating whether I should join ASR but I was having misgivings so I decided to wait in case something like this came up. Sadly such things happen too often to online communities in my experience.

Re: Why climu left ASR and his concern about it.

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 4:44 pm
by Bonobo
FYI:
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Original “ASR” post on G+
my “documentation” of this on G+ (see image above (and yeah, that missing genitive “’s”, sorry for that)), and please cf. Ilya Kirillov’s (aka KOCMOHABT’s) enlightening reply there.
ASR post
ASR forum entry

Can you spell t-r-o-v-e-r?

The admins here may want to take note … L19 user (old) LinuxGooo alias L19 user (new) LinuxGooo2016, and perhaps all posts by any ASR “officials” probably coming from one and the same person (who seems to have the “keys” to everything ASR now; I’d even want to challenge the authenticity of the current “lychee” persona).

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forensic evidence, eh?

Re: Why climu left ASR and his concern about it.

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:38 am
by climu
Yes they just dicovered Gouniverse and pretend it's an exclusive ASR feature to play kgs without javascript...

The best of it is:

ASR Master wrote:We are in an intensive dialogue with the programmer to develope the application further on to cover your needs.

and 2 days later:
Ilya Kirillov wrote:Thanks, Thomas. I even didn't knew about this in fact, it's seems strange that they have wrote that they have contacted with developer.


As for ASR owners:

Bonobo wrote:The admins here may want to take note … L19 user (old) LinuxGooo alias L19 user (new) LinuxGooo2016, and perhaps all posts by any ASR “officials” probably coming from one and the same person (who seems to have the “keys” to everything ASR now;

I would say (and always have) he manage ASR website at least.
I still think Litchee owns ASR but I think he will mostly follow LinuxGoo calls.
As for the ASR account on ASR website, reddit, L19 and more I think they share it. I have to say that I don't recognise Litchee plume when I read them tho.

Bonobo wrote: I’d even want to challenge the authenticity of the current “lychee” persona).

I wouldn't. I know Litchee since I worked with him. I even had video/audio conference with him.
I recently had some chat with him in kgs. I went nowhere interesting: he pretend I insulted him without explaining me how/when/why and said he will at one point answer my emails (2 month waiting already).

The strange thing is that they don't list LinuxGoo as a ASR admin at all. I think they keep him hidden because of his internet reputation.


Anyway thanks for documenting on this.

Re: Why climu left ASR and his concern about it.

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:27 am
by climu
Since I still have my account on ASR website, I was wondering if I were still counted as a member and if I was still welcome in the league.
So yesterday I went on kgs and asked.

ASRLeague threaten to get a lawyer to put me in front of a court.

climu: Hi ASR.
climu: I was wondering... I still have my account on ASR website, does it mean I am still welcome to play in the league?
climu: oh, you also have a 3rd admin: AsrLeague !
climu: maybe this misterious man/women can answer?
oren: It's Gooo! :)
climu: sush... it's a secret I guess...
climu: isn't it?
oren: no clue
oren: seemed too obvious to be secret
climu: why have 2 account and 2 admin listed then?
oren: maybe separate the playing account and admin account?
climu: yup, probably
climu: I fear neither the admin, nor the player will answer me. should I take that as a :"go away !"?
oren: well, to be fair it is somewhat late over there
climu: ok. probably
Nachtmahr: linux is online , he isa admin
climu: indeed.
climu: ASRleague was online too at one point...
climu: if admins don't talk, maybe community will...
climu: what do you guys thing?
climu: *think...
AsrLeague: Climu leave the room
climu: hi
climu: why?
AsrLeague: you are no more a person we wish to be here.. a persona-non-grata
climu: that is a clear answer to my question. thanks. May I ask why?
AsrLeague: you are since longer blocked from playing in the league, as you hurt heavily the rules
climu: how did I do that?
AsrLeague: you damage in public heavily the image of ASR. you clearly know what we are talking about. Point. Leave the room now
climu: I think the damage come from you not answering. but... well.
AsrLeague: LEAVE THE ROOM !
climu: can you at least remove my account on ASR website?
climu: So I am not counted as a member?
AsrLeague: Your account is frozen. what is a persona-non-grata ?
climu: ok, I can connect still. At least I got an answer. thanks
climu: I hope you enjoy the league tools I built ;)
AsrLeague: False statements in public, assusing the new asr team to be liars etc. ... its enough. Or shall a lawyer bring you front court in South France ?
AsrLeague: accusing*
AsrLeague: Stop bashing, stop stalking, stop to create an atmosphere which tociates the whole ASR community.
climu: where did I bash here?
AsrLeague: LEAVE THE ROOM !
climu: As for false things, please, pease please explain me where/how
climu: you never did
climu: ok, I am out.
AsrLeague: yes, you are out.
climu: but wow... you guys...


Then he decided to make ASR room private.
AsrLeague: this room now will be closed. all league members will have access very soon in one-two hours after we setup this room as "private". All 349 players, inclusive the "candates" for next months will have access very soon again.


I was asked by a kgs admin to leave ASR room because it's now a private kgs room.

Thought it had to be known.

Re: Why climu left ASR and his concern about it.

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:31 am
by DrStraw
That sure sounds like a good way to attract new members.

Re: Why climu left ASR and his concern about it.

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:14 am
by Jhyn
Sorry if this is irrelevant to the topic, but why the specific mention of Southern France? Are you from there? (you don't have to answer if you want to keep anonymous, it's just that I used to play in Marseille)

Re: Why climu left ASR and his concern about it.

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:32 am
by climu
Jhyn wrote:Sorry if this is irrelevant to the topic, but why the specific mention of Southern France? Are you from there? (you don't have to answer if you want to keep anonymous, it's just that I used to play in Marseille)


Hi, No worry.
I think (it's my guess) he mention southern France because he knows my real id and he knows I want to keep it private for professional reasons. So mentioning where I live could be some pression for me.

I am not from southern France, but I do live in Marseille.

Re: Why climu left ASR and his concern about it.

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:38 am
by Bonobo
Linguistic Forensic Note
From the style/diction of the person you’re quoting from KGS it seems clear to me that “AsrLeague” is identical with the notorious LinuxGooo.
Very “German” English (i.e. using German grammar, also many literal and thus often wrong translations of German words), “Germlish”, just compare to the language used on his “mysanrensei” blog.
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Another interesting thing is that, although German (and aside of having played in four tournaments, last one in 2015, 15k [EGF]), he shows no presence in the German Go scene … no German blog, no participation in the German DGoB forum, etc. Makes me wonder why … (OK, not really).

Re: Why climu left ASR and his concern about it.

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:06 pm
by Drew
With consistent behavior like this, ASR doesn't deserve such a place of prominence as its own folder on 19x19. Delist these clowns. :tmbdown:

Re: Why climu left ASR and his concern about it.

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:09 am
by nukeu666
Seems he's finally listed himself as an admin

Privatisation of the room will be their death knell

Owner/Team Management/Admins/: Guillaume D. (aka Litchee), J.R. (aka LinuxGooo), AsrLeague

Re: Why climu left ASR and his concern about it.

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:07 pm
by skydyr
Drew wrote:With consistent behavior like this, ASR doesn't deserve such a place of prominence as its own folder on 19x19. Delist these clowns. :tmbdown:


While I'm usually all for this, it may be prudent to leave this as it is for the time being to help keep the inevitable meltdown contained in its own little section.