Life In 19x19

DrStraw wrote:

tundra wrote:She was featured in a Sports Illustrated story back in 1988, when she was around 19 years old. It mentions that her father is Korean:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

(Which proves, btw, that go is a sport. In case there was any doubt.)

I beg to differ. You are assuming that all output of the media is true.

It has to be true! I'm sure I've even read it somewhre on the internet!!

imabuddha wrote:DrStraw, you placed your reply within the quote which makes it appear as if those were my words. :/

I'm not sure if political discussion is allowed here, but FWIW I doubt the veracity of your assertion. There's not much evidence that the US electorate cares about facts.

Ah! Sorry. Fixed it. That is what happens when you have lots of white space before your final smiley - I missed the closing quote.

i am korean so i will give you my opinion about who i think is Korean.

first, they have to have pure blood:
therefore Janice Kim is not a korean

second, they have to speak korean:
i discriminate against people who have pure blood and if they dont speak a word of korean. i consider them a GARBAGE.
althought i dont express them, that is how i think. i am thinking many other koreans feel same way towards them.
i have few friends who are half blooded but speaks korean fluently and i consider them more korean than those who are pureblooded and can not speak korean.

please dont hate me for posting this because i did it so people understand how many koreans think.
consider me as a mailman.

tundra wrote:She was featured in a Sports Illustrated story back in 1988, when she was around 19 years old. It mentions that her father is Korean:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

(Which proves, btw, that go is a sport. In case there was any doubt.)

Now if we could just get ESPN to cover an occasional Go tournament...

phrax wrote:Now if we could just get ESPN to cover an occasional Go tournament...

i sometimes watch poker game on TV. but if i can watch go game on TV that will be a heaven on earth.

I thought you could get Korean television stations in the US that cover go. Or would that involve staying up too late?

hyperpape wrote:I thought you could get Korean television stations in the US that cover go. Or would that involve staying up too late?

i haven't heard such. so probably not true.

hyperpape wrote:I thought you could get Korean television stations in the US that cover go. Or would that involve staying up too late?

Some years ago people on the west coast of the USA could get satellite signals for TV from Japan. Don't know about Korea. As the population of Korean immigrants in the USA increases it might be possible to get satellite TV from Korea.

Magicwand wrote:

phrax wrote:Now if we could just get ESPN to cover an occasional Go tournament...

i sometimes watch poker game on TV. but if i can watch go game on TV that will be a heaven on earth.

Yeah, me too. I've even seen them cover dominoes tournaments and hotdog eating contests (Sorry, I mean competitive eating). Go has to at least be as much of a sport as hotdog eating :/

Edit: dominoes, not backgammon

Magicwand wrote:i am korean so i will give you my opinion about who i think is Korean.

first, they have to have pure blood:
therefore Janice Kim is not a korean

second, they have to speak korean:
i discriminate against people who have pure blood and if they dont speak a word of korean. i consider them a GARBAGE.
althought i dont express them, that is how i think. i am thinking many other koreans feel same way towards them.
i have few friends who are half blooded but speaks korean fluently and i consider them more korean than those who are pureblooded and can not speak korean.

please dont hate me for posting this because i did it so people understand how many koreans think.
consider me as a mailman.

Actually I understand.
The term "banana" is sometimes used to label fluent English speakers who are of Chinese descent, who speak little or no Chinese. In short, yellow outside but white inside.

"Mailman" or not, I think that calling people that have Korean blood but don't speak Korean "garbage" is going too far.

Kirby wrote:"Mailman" or not, I think that calling people that have Korean blood but don't speak Korean "garbage" is going too far.

I agree. Besides, there are plenty of people of mixed "blood" in Korea who were born there and speak only Korean:

*Children of Korean/Japanese parentage from the time of the occupation

*Children of Korean/Chinese parentage from the time of the Korean war

*Children of Korean/American parentage from the Korean war and after

I suppose there is discrimination against all these "impure" people but I doubt that there are any really "pure" Koreans. As for "pure" Americans there certainly aren't any. Even the Native Americans came from Asia originally.

Actually there is no such thing as "pure" blood for any "race". Hasn't it been shown scientifically that (almost) all existing humans share mitochondrial DNA with a single woman in Africa? This idea of "purity" is bogus. The idea of racial purity is very dangerous. Look what happened in Europe some 70 years ago.

On the offchance this one starts to escalate, I'm going to step in here just to voice my opinion:

I don't agree personally with magicwand's feelings towards how he classifies people as Korean, and don't understand the viewpoint. I do however respect the fact he was honest enough to share it candidly and explicitly, with the necessary caveats to this being just how he internalises it, and that he makes an effort not to express those feelings to people in person. In this thread, I saw it as an honest contribution to the thread on what's being felt by many (I'm not trying to make a sweeping generalisation here, it may be few, but clearly at least 1!) Koreans - an insight most non-Koreans wouldn't have, and the followup by unkx80 I also found valuable for the same reason.

I didn't see magicwand as actually insulting anyone directly, and I feel fairly sure that wasn't the intent. However, I also respect there will be people on here that either are, or know others, who fit into magicwand's garbage category. If this is deemed offensive by many, I'm sure the thread can be handled accordingly, but can I just make a plea not to let this escalate just based on disliking the prejudice on others, as we have so far managed a really good track record of handling these debates civilly.

I knew i would get some reaction out of what i posted..
main reasone for the post is to inform others how many (probably most) koreans think.
but now i think what i said in public was inappropriate.
apologize to everyone whom i might have offended.

Magicwand wrote:I knew i would get some reaction out of what i posted..
main reasone for the post is to inform others how many (probably most) koreans think.
but now i think what i said in public was inappropriate.
apologize to everyone whom i might have offended.

I think it's fine for you to be honest. However, I am somewhat skeptical that "most" Koreans think this way.

I am pretty sure that my wife does not share the same opinion as you. She might consider it a good thing for people of Korean heritage to learn to speak Korean, but I highly doubt that she would consider those that don't "garbage". I'll admit I haven't asked her yet, though. I will have to ask her when she wakes up.