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Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:03 am
by Uberdude
Cosmonauts wrote:On another note, Choi Chelohan has been kicking lately: 8 wins out of his last 9 games with wins against the likes of Mi Yuting and Chen Yaoye.
Yes, I'm pleased for Choi, who previously really struggled against Chinese players, particularly Chen, whose solid defensive style seemed to frustrate Choi's aggression and Chen led 8-1 in head to head a few years ago (and Choi is older so it's not like he was not yet full strength in those early games), see
https://gogameguru.com/go-commentary-ch ... ea-tengen/. But Choi has won 8 of their last 10 games, and
goratings.org shows him at an all time high following a dip in 2014 from his previous peak plateau in 2009-2012.
Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:12 am
by wolfking
Uberdude wrote:I think bold is clearer to mark winners:
P.S. Good win for female Lu Minquan 4p who I hadn't heard of before, maybe one of the biggest upsets of the round. Goratings has her at #387 (3080) vs Han at #82 (3332) so 19% win chance.
P.P.S Wang beating Shin was 16%.
Yes of course! Thanks for posting in the right format!
Lu Minquan is not well known probably because she has not won any international title and there is not much Chinese female tournament news in English. She won 2014 Yellow River Cup Amateur Championship at age of 15, turned pro same year, joined the national team, and came in second to Yu Zhiying in 2015 at National Mind Games. In 2016 she won third place in National Go Championship Women's group. She has been playing in women's A-League since 2015.
Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:59 am
by wolfking
Footage of Ryan Li's (surprised?) facial expression after winning against Cheng Honghao 2p by half point.
http://weibo.com/tv/v/F8zg0x4xN?fid=103 ... 74bab86fcf
The pro going over a few key points looks like Zhao Xinghua 3p, and I believe it was Stephanie Yin standing behind Ryan.
Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:07 am
by jeromie
Thank you for all of the updates! There were some really interesting results this round.
Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:24 am
by wolfking
Anybody familiar with Ilya maybe can help to interpret his swinging posture here
http://weibo.com/tv/v/F8xyepb9q?fid=103 ... 06db01b863
Is he happy or upset about his position?
Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:34 am
by Uberdude
That's pretty normal for Ilya, as is the looking into opponent's eyes like saying "Whatcha gonna do now, punk?". Puts terror into the hearts of European amateurs, Asian pros not so much.

Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:11 am
by John Fairbairn
Piles?
More seriously, this link illustrates a problem that irritates me most days, but I'm hoping the wealth of people with computer experience on this forum might include someone who can tell me how to avoid it.
The problem is that some sites seem to disable my back button while I'm there. In other words, when I went to the above link, I had to exit the browser and reload it to get back here. This has long seemed standard with pdf files but it seems to be spreading fast to other formats. How do I skirt round this obnoxious behaviour?
Allied to that, I also detect a growing trend for html pages to be made unprintable. Or is it my paranoia?
Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:20 am
by wolfking
John Fairbairn wrote:
The problem is that some sites seem to disable my back button while I'm there. In other words, when I went to the above link, I had to exit the browser and reload it to get back here.
I can report that it did not give me problem on Chrome (browser). But I am running Chrome on a ancient Windows XP machine so not sure about newer OS.
Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:22 am
by Bill Spight
John Fairbairn wrote:
More seriously, this link illustrates a problem that irritates me most days, but I'm hoping the wealth of people with computer experience on this forum might include someone who can tell me how to avoid it.
The problem is that some sites seem to disable my back button while I'm there. In other words, when I went to the above link, I had to exit the browser and reload it to get back here. This has long seemed standard with pdf files but it seems to be spreading fast to other formats. How do I skirt round this obnoxious behaviour?
IMX, when I have run into that problem, pressing and holding the back button will produce a list of previous pages you can choose. Usually you only have to go past the previous page or two to get past the obnoxious behavior. (Your back button actually works, but the previous link reloads your present page.)
If that does not work, there is probably a History tab on the top line of your browser. You can click it and choose a page from it.
Another thing I often do is just open a link like the one in question in a new tab, and then just close the tab when I am done with the page. My wife does that, but she ends up with a gazillion tabs open.

Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:50 am
by wolfking
Pairing of round of 32
Like xiayun said, there is no re-draw until final 16 so we can pretty much figure out who's playing who from round 64 results. I am posting the pairing just to make it more obvious and easier to post results later.
1. Huang Xin 4p (CN) vs Zhang Xuan 8p (CN)
2. Choi Cheolhan 9p (KR) vs Lee Sedol 9p (KR)
3. Chen Yaoye 9p (CN) vs Ryan Li 1p (CA)
4. Tong Mengcheng 6p (CN) vs Park Yeonghun 9p (KR)
5. Chen Zijian 4p (CN) vs Lu Minquan 4p (CN)
6. Han Taehee 6p (KR) vs Fan Yunruo 6p (CN)
7. Wang Haoyang 6p (CN) vs DeepZenGo (JP, AI)
8. Tang Weixing 9p (CN) vs Tan Xiao 8p (CN)
9. Gao Yu 3p (CN) vs He Yang 1p (CN)
10. Huang Jingyuan 3p (CN) vs Ke Jie 9p (CN)
11. Xie Ke 3p (CN) vs Li Zhe 6p (CN)
12. Guo Yuzheng 5p (CN) vs Li Xuanhao 6p (CN)
13. Kono Rin 9p (JP) vs Rong Yi 5p (CN)
14. Wang Tao 6p (CN) vs Takao Shinji 9p (JP)
15. Liao Yuanhe 5p (CN) vs Na Hyun 6p (KR)
16. Park Junghwan 9p (KR) vs Zhou Ruiyang 9p (CN)
Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:49 pm
by xiayun
We are going to see fresh faces in the round of 16, especially with a few highly ranked players going against each other (Choi vs. Lee, Tang vs. Tan, Park vs. Zhou). All three Japanese players (DeepZenGo included) as well as two remaining female players have solid chances, and we'll have at least two 4p-or-lower players advancing.
Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:40 pm
by ez4u
wolfking wrote:Uberdude wrote:I think bold is clearer to mark winners:
P.S. Good win for female Lu Minquan 4p who I hadn't heard of before, maybe one of the biggest upsets of the round. Goratings has her at #387 (3080) vs Han at #82 (3332) so 19% win chance.
P.P.S Wang beating Shin was 16%.
Yes of course! Thanks for posting in the right format!
...
Noooo!
Neither my eight-year-old monitor nor my 64-year-old eyes handle contrast as well as they used to. Wolfking's list is
much clearer for me.

Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:47 pm
by seigenblues
Thanks very much for posting the updates! Uberdude, do you mind if i use some of your stats in the broadcast?
(BTW, the AGA will try and broadcast Ryan's game vs Chen Yaoye tomorrow, and we'll also go between that game and the Zen game. Jennie Shen 2p comments, starting 10:30pm PDT (UTC-7), june 20th.)
Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:00 pm
by Uberdude
seigenblues wrote:Uberdude, do you mind if i use some of your stats in the broadcast?
Please do; you can make your own like I do with
http://goratings.org and
http://www.bobnewell.net/nucleus/bnewell.php?itemid=279.
Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:04 pm
by xiayun
seigenblues wrote:Thanks very much for posting the updates! Uberdude, do you mind if i use some of your stats in the broadcast?
(BTW, the AGA will try and broadcast Ryan's game vs Chen Yaoye tomorrow, and we'll also go between that game and the Zen game. Jennie Shen 2p comments, starting 10:30pm PDT (UTC-7), june 20th.)
Thanks! It's really nice to see both Ryan and Stephanie participate in this tournament.