Life In 19x19

Ian Butler wrote: What's the ladder I missed?

There's a ladder you gave up on.

Bill Spight wrote:

Ian Butler wrote: What's the ladder I missed?

There's a ladder you gave up on.

I feel like the biggest fool.
These are all the ideas/variations I've run the last 15 minutes.



What am I missing?

One of your variations has a ladder that works, but you need to start from the right direction.

Ian Butler wrote:

Bill Spight wrote:

Ian Butler wrote: What's the ladder I missed?

There's a ladder you gave up on.

I feel like the biggest fool.
These are all the ideas/variations I've run the last 15 minutes.



What am I missing?

I admire your diligence.

Sometimes there is more than one way to play atari.

If you want a hint, there is the move number in the spoiler below :

Tryss wrote:If you want a hint, there is the move number in the spoiler below :

43 give up the ladder : can you find the right move?

Ooooooh. Now I see it

Funny thing, before I looked at your post, I thought I had found it. I came up with this variation. Though apparently it's not it I think it doesn't work if just plays S18




Thanks everyone for helping me find it. Too bad I couldn't find it on my own entirely, but that'll come as I improve I did find many other variations so the exercise in itself was very valuable!


Question, though: was the netting much worse than catching the stones in a ladder?

I haven't seen it yet.

Bill Spight wrote:I haven't seen it yet.

Black 43 at P14

Ian Butler wrote:

Bill Spight wrote:I haven't seen it yet.

Black 43 at P14

You see how was not a good move?

Bill Spight wrote:

Ian Butler wrote:

Bill Spight wrote:I haven't seen it yet.

Black 43 at P14

You see how was not a good move?

Yes, the ladder would then not have worked, because a big group of black would be in atari running out the ladder.
Though netting still would've worked in that case

Thanks for (not) pointing it out to me

Ian Butler wrote:

Bill Spight wrote: You see how was not a good move?

Yes, the ladder would then not have worked, because a big group of black would be in atari running out the ladder.

Yes, it is a negative example of the general principle to avoid strengthening the opponent's stones.

Though netting still would've worked in that case

That's a liberal interpretation of working. When the ladder does not work, instead of playing atari against the cut, simply extending along the second line may be best.

Thanks for (not) pointing it out to me

Thank you for your stick-to-it-ivity.