Page 2 of 2

Re: Struck gold!

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:15 am
by Knotwilg
I would not say the discussion degenerated. If it did there are a couple of ways to battle it:
1) giving good content instead, like you did.
2) We could of course shut up but that's not the point of a forum.
3)Or you could bring some clarity in the difference between "hard" and "risky", if that's the root of the degeneration.

Myself, I see risky as a subset of hard. If I can calculate a position (not hard), there is no risk. There may be other hard positions to calculate but for which all feasible options are leading to a similar result (no risk).

If I'm wrong, please clarify what risk really means.

Re: Struck gold!

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:02 pm
by oren
Okie wrote:John,
thank you for the review. My Japanese is at (or perhaps just beyond) the tsume-go book level you mentioned. But at 500 yen the price of the books are easily within the range of my minor mad money and they seem to echo some themes harped on by my go teacher. Could you please include the ISBN number to make the book easier to find?

Thanks
Here is the link for the e-book version at the Nihon Kiin. Requires Chrome. I've used the site for a bunch of the magazines and some books.

https://e-gobooks.nihonkiin.or.jp/produ ... ory_id=426

Re: Struck gold!

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:10 am
by Elom
This is awesome :shock:

Assuming:
Simple Risk = (Probability of a negative outcome occurring) x (Magnitude of the negative impact)
Complex risk = Total value of simple risk levels of each of the possible negative values from a move
Uncertainty = Closeness of the probability of an outcome occurring to 50%

Do you think misconceptions of safety arise due to faulty/incomplete programming of our 'neural networks'/'ROM', the intuition and knowledge derived from intuitive and factual study of go respectively, and the corresponding game state evaluation ability thereby derived, as we as amateurs may automatically associate connection with safety and low risk whereas a professional may not have this type of association whatsoever?

It may be interesting because if that is the case then an association that is not too accurate is so strong it overrides the countermeasures applied when we operate 'RAM', (short term memory, fluid abstract reasoning, common sense...) as I doubt many kyu players may even question that answer B, from your first diagram, is a safer move than A to even have the chance to think about the implications of each move.