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Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 10:56 pm
by EdLee
Hi zac,
1/50,000.
Re: Problem from a chinese problem book set.
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 1:53 am
by Fedya
I would have played K3. Isn't that where White wants to play in the joseki?
Re: Problem from a chinese problem book set.
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 2:33 am
by zac
Fedya wrote: I would have played K3. Isn't that where White wants to play in the joseki?
Sometimes thats a good clue as to where to play, something like that probably would have been my first instinct too.
For reference, the potential follow ups from the correct answer;
11 at X
$$B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B
Another possibility
Re: Problem from a chinese problem book set.
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 6:36 am
by Bill Spight
zac wrote: A much easier example;
$$B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B
How easy is it?
$$B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B
Now what?
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 6:51 am
by EdLee
$$
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$$$Bm11
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm11$$
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$
Re: Problem from a chinese problem book set.
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 6:58 am
by dfan
I first encountered these patterns very recently in an
Internet Go School lecture (though in that lecture Jennie Shen puts
on the third line), and it was all very new to me. So I am pretty sure there are a lot of 4ks around who don't know anything about these lines.
Re: Problem from a chinese problem book set.
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 4:56 pm
by zac
Bill Spight wrote: zac wrote: A much easier example;
$$B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B
How easy is it?
$$B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B
Now what?
Don't be silly, Bill. All my opponents are polite gentlemen that play the "correct" response!!
I went back to look at the example given in Jump Level Up, and I was wrong about the position, but the move is similar;
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W
No explanation for if 5 is a hane, so no help from them
My first thought is that there are two cutting points to aim at;
$$B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B
I think I can cut the lower point directly, and end up with a big corner...But it will take a bit more reading to be sure that white can't get a better result on the outside. Of course, when I say "easy", I mean for someone that knows what they are doing
I imagine more people are familiar with this shape rather than the other problem, but being familiar with seems to be a bit different than actually knowing something.
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 7:55 pm
by EdLee
Hi zac,
I was wrong about the position, but the move is similar;
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W I'm not following what was correct and what was wrong.
Could you elaborate -- maybe with one diagram labeled 'correct', and one labeled 'wrong' ? Thanks.
Re:
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 8:15 pm
by zac
EdLee wrote:
Hi Ed,
My memory of the position from Jump Level Up was wrong, i.e. I thought that the position in Jump Level Up was this;
When W tenuki
$$B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B
But it was actually;
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W
In either case, the shape that is being taken advantage of is the same, and the same move is correct. Just a different follow up. I guess recognising some shape is a good guide to find a good move. I just wanted to clarify, for anyone that has JLU and might look for it, and also to add another example with it's suggested follow up.
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 8:52 pm
by EdLee
Thanks, zac.
on the third line), and it was all very new to me. So I am pretty sure there are a lot of 4ks around who don't know anything about these lines.