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Re: Training plan
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:36 pm
by Darknessmoves
jlt wrote:Move 9 was already a mistake (check josekipedia.com or another reference on josekis), but maybe not a big one compared to the rest.
feels overconcentrated to me, I would have extended along the edge (C11 or D11).
Did you feel at move 20 that your top left group was weak (= could come under attack)?
is not good because 1) it is overextended, it leaves a weakness at M3. 2) You already finished the joseki on the lower right, your lower right group is already strong, no need to add more stones, so you should play elsewhere.
Did you see that at move 28, White threatens to build a very large territory on the lower left?
is an elephant jump, it is often a bad move because of the weakness at Q10. It is often better to play a one-space jump or a knight's move.
After move 52 the game is almost lost for Black. Even if you don't die, white will consolidate his lower left territory while attacking your weak stones.
Thanks for the advice. The thing with me is I can't or rarely understand why the moves I play are mistakes and telling if a group is weak or not is literally impossible to me, I usually play different openings, I tend to copy bots too much thus most my opening till move 10 or 12 are just copied from bots particularly alphago in my other games I used alphagos opening. My middle game and endgame seriously suck as ppl play different than bots in middle game and endgame and I always lose in those areas. And reading doesn't even help me one tiny bit because even if I read ahead which is rare my opponents just play a different move?
Re: Training plan
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:39 pm
by Bill Spight
jlt wrote:
Did you see that at move 28, White threatens to build a very large territory on the lower left?
My top of the head feeling for
is to play the shoulder blow at D-09.
Re: Training plan
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:49 pm
by jlt
@Darknessmoves: in general, a group which
1) has a base (=can make at least one eye on the edge) and
2) has access to the center (so can make a second eye in the center or connect to another group if necessary)
has no problems. Conversely, a group which does not satisfy one of the above conditions may come under attack. It doesn't mean that having weak groups is wrong, but you have to be aware of the danger. This will come with experience.
P.S. No need to read much at your level. You can practice reading with tsumego. However, take the habit to look at the whole board.
Re: Training plan
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:11 pm
by Darknessmoves
New training.
80 tsumego of graded go problems for beginners volume 3
1 game against leela zero,
replay 5 games of alphago kifu.
5 games against humans.
Read Attack and defense and Tesuji.
New rank 15kyu
80 tsumego graded go problems volume 3 complete got 14 wrong.
Did 1 game against leela zero suffered a crushing defeat.
Replayed 5 games of alphago kifu Was interesting to see alphago zero and alphago master's moves.
Did 5 games against humans won 3 lost 2
Here is one I won he resigned pretty early nevertheless it was fun!
I was white.
Re: Training plan
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:59 pm
by jlt
It seems
at S4 would have captured the 5 black stones.
Re: Training plan
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:02 pm
by Darknessmoves
jlt wrote:It seems
at S4 would have captured the 5 black stones.
hm, I was focusing on the top right, and I suck at life and death really bad so I would probably messed it up badly. I will keep it in mind though thanks.
Re: Training plan
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:45 pm
by Darknessmoves
80 Tsumego graded go problems volume 3 done got 23 wrong
1 game against leela zero done suffered a crushing defeat again though.
replay 5 games of alphago kifu done I am now using alphago zero and alphago master's opening.
did 5 games against human but lost 4 won 1
As for attack and defense. I already went through half the book. as for tesuji I haven't got it yet.
Here's the game I won. I was black I made mistakes in the middle game thus white got ahead however white made a series of bad mistakes and I exploited them thus I managed to win
Re: Training plan
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:38 am
by jlt
Yes, you made a series of mistakes like:
would be better at B5 (makes life by ko with B5 B4 B9 B10 A8 A5 A6).
useless (doesn't make an eye and wastes a ko threat).
even worse. Doesn't make an eye, removes a liberty and wastes a ko threat.
doesn't make an eye and wastes a ko threat.
ditto
you die in gote (but fortunately for you, White makes a useless move
).
You made an empty triangle again (move 157).
Fortunately, the subsequent fight went much better and you were successful at killing a large group, congratulations!
Re: Training plan
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:28 pm
by Darknessmoves
jlt wrote:Yes, you made a series of mistakes like:
would be better at B5 (makes life by ko with B5 B4 B9 B10 A8 A5 A6).
useless (doesn't make an eye and wastes a ko threat).
even worse. Doesn't make an eye, removes a liberty and wastes a ko threat.
doesn't make an eye and wastes a ko threat.
ditto
you die in gote (but fortunately for you, White makes a useless move
).
You made an empty triangle again (move 157).
Fortunately, the subsequent fight went much better and you were successful at killing a large group, congratulations!
Thanks for the advice, 73 I knew it was a mistake as soon as I played it :/
same with 79 and 81.
Re: Training plan
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:53 pm
by Darknessmoves
Completed graded go problems volume 3. So I am currently doing 1001 L&D
did 1 game against leela zero and just got crushed again I am starting to doubt if it's even doing anything
replayed 5 games of alphago kifu.
did 5 games against human won 3, lost 2.
Went through all of attack and defense.
Here are two games I lost 1 I won 1. my opponent in my second game which I lost played strangely and it confused me as he opened at tengen then 3-4
I also made quite abit mistakes thanks to me not knowing how to play after tengen even though I open at it sometimes...
Re: Training plan
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:10 pm
by jlt
You didn't lose the game because of the tengen, but because you didn't protect when White threatened with
to cut at K15.
Re: Training plan
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:16 pm
by Darknessmoves
Had this game at a club. my opponent was 13 kyu but I beat him so I am starting to doubt whether it was just a fluke or I am not acutally 15kyu. I was black.
Re: Training plan
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:48 pm
by jlt
Looks like an early resign, he should have tried to kill M13 and/or played B12 to kill G16, but overall you seemed to outplay your opponent.
Re: Training plan
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:27 am
by Darknessmoves
Did 421 problems of 1001 Life and Death problems got 37 wrong but Overall I think my reading is improving a tiny bit.
did 1 game against leela zero put up a very tiny match but still did better than I did before I've started reviewing my games I lose against leela zero but thanks to my very poor reviewing skills I can't really spot mistakes...
Replayed 5 alphago games. they seem to be helping me alot so I am going to do 10 replays of alphago from now on.
did 5 games against humans I'd say I am about 13 or at least 14 kyu now.
Going through Lee chang ho selected tesuji problems vol 1 and am going through Attack and defense again.
Re: Training plan
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:38 pm
by Darknessmoves
Completed 1001 L&D problems got 94 wrong.
Did 1 game against leela zero am doing abit better than last time but still got crushed overall.
replayed 10 alphago games.
did 1 game against humans since I did 10 replays of alphago.
Did a few of Lee changho tesuji problems vol 1. and went through 11 chapters of attack and defense again.
Here's the one game I played against a 8kyu
I was black.