Life In 19x19

Posted: **Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:52 pm**

Well, it was a pretty obvious move, so when I saw that you replied, I decided there was no reason to wait to post my move. I'm from Waterloo, Ontario (EST, GMT+5) but being a university student my sleep schedule can be pretty messed up. Some days I'll sleep from 7pm to 2am, other days from 5am to 1pm :batman:

. Plus, it's exam period right now, so a lot of my day is spent just sitting at my desk, so when I see that you've responded I can generally check right away.

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Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:59 am**

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hmm, i was deciding between this move and O3 (one point below), but this should be a better. one possible outcome i have already showed in Move 12, Diagram 2, another is this one:

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 Diagram 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O W . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 7 5 . . X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 4 . X . O X . 1 | $$ | . . . O . . . . 8 , 6 . O O O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

black can deviate at least in 13 if not elsewhere. b 19 is then unpleasant, but i think ok, because black has an unsettled group in the center

if i played O3, i wouldn't like this outcome:

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Posted: **Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:07 pm**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move #17 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . B O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he had extended instead of playing the hanging connection for his last move, it would have been bad for him:

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This ladder works for me.

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I kill the corner like this.

Anyway, I had to choose between two options for this move. Often when I'm playing a Malkovich game I reach a point where I wish I could just fork the game, as multiple sequences seem very interesting. The sequence I didn't play goes like this:

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X . 1 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O O O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The game would probably unfold like this (most of these moves are forced, I think) and I would try to profit from playing a pincer around 'a' rather soon. The game would get complicated, but that's fine by me.

However, I have a gut feeling playing like this might be slightly better:

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After this, I will probably play around 'a', looking to make a very big area which will he will feel forced to reduce.

It'd be interesting to know which of these variations is actually better in this situation (if either). I had actually finished this whole writeup from the perspective of playing the other sequence, but I decided against it before posting. If you're reading this, feel free to post how you would play (either one of these two variations or something else entirely). It doesn't really matter how strong you are, it'd still be interesting to read what others think about this position once the game is done.

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:50 am**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move #18 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X W . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:52 am**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move #19-23 B:2 W:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . 5 . 1 O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I normally don't like triggers, but I assume you will want to save these stones

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Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:10 am**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move #24, B+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Dusk Eagle:
no problem, my previous hidden comment was "no choice" and the same applies for this move. now it is your turn to do again something creative

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if you don't mind, i prefer keeping prisoners as color+difference, otherwise i always get confused whether it shows captured black stones or stones that black had captured

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:04 pm**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move #25, B+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I was debating between this move and a low right-side approach to his hoshi stone. Initially. I favored playing an approach to his 4-4 stone, with my plan of attack below:

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If he extended to either :w2:

or 'a', playing a jump to :b3:

seemed good.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Preliminary idea. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . 4 . . . . 5 . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . 2 , . . X . X O X . . | $$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he pincered instead, I would again play a one-space jump, but then turn to attack his pincer. His pincer would likely end up pretty deep within my area, enabling me a severe attack on it or his group to the left.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . 2 . . . , . . X . X O X . . | $$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

However, this move made me rethink approaching this corner at this point in time. If he plays like this, I do not see a way to avoid overconcentration on the bottom side. This is ultimately what caused me to approach his 3-4 stone for now and save an approach to his bottom stone for later.

Posted: **Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:11 pm**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move #25, B+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . 6 . 7 . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . 1 5 . . , . . X . X O X . . | $$ | . . . . 4 2 3 . . . . . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Why not the high approach? If white extends again on the left or makes a shimari in the upper left black can extend from the shimari in the upper right. This seems fine to me.

Posted: **Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:00 am**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move #26, B+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: **Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:23 am**

Laman

Posted: **Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:10 am**

Jedo:

Jedo wrote:Laman
Was there a reason you didn't want to play F3 to more actively combat black's thickness? Did you feel it was just too close to black's wall and had no room for expansion or something? Also, if black approaches at that point now that you have your enclosure, how do you plan to respond?

well, i was not sure (again

) about the right direction. my first instinct was indeed F3, straight against the black thickness. but yesterday i attended a lecture (game review) given by a 6d and he strongly critised marked move by white and said it should have been at a, because bottom side has no perspective while left is still big and wide opened:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Czech Women Championship, Katerina Babicka 4k - Klara Zaloudkova 2d $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . . . . O . . X . . . . . | $$ | . X . X . . X . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . | $$ | . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . W . . X . . X . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i chose the direction under impression of this. i have to admit, after reproducing the diagram above (link to a complete sgf), i didn't visualise the position precisely and it is not so much similar to our game, except it is the same corner

if black approaches now, i can either treat the sides as miai and take a (or other point on the right) and i think i can also pincer with b... hmm, although then i will have to combat black's thickness, maybe not the best plan.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move #26, B+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . | $$ | . . . . . B . b . . . . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

last reason is that with C6 i slightly reduce the space available for black C15 stone, but it is not so important

Posted: **Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:22 pm**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move #27, B+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . B . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I didn't mention it last time, so here's how I thought he could play to overconcentrate me on the bottom:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . 2 3 . . , . . X . X O X . . | $$ | . . . . . 1 4 . . . . . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So, now he has decided to add a move to that corner itself. That's okay, I can still approach that corner later.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . B . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , a b . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Anyway, I've decided to play the pincer I did in the top-left as a way to potentially build up a large area on the top side. Playing a taisha or a knight's move at 'a' or 'b' below didn't seem like the right direction of play here (plus, taisha's not as interesting when both you and your opponent will have joseki dictionaries to keep you mainly on course). Let's see how this turns out.

Posted: **Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:38 pm**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move #28, B+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

black plays it tight. this close pincer aims to developing on both sides. white has to decide between two moves - D15 and E16.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , W 1 . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 6 O 4 X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . 3 , . . 5 . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X W 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 1 . 0 7 9 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i don't like either diagram very much, can't see a satisfying way how to attack black groups, but i came across this variation:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 7 O . X 8 . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . 5 6 . 2 3 . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X W . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

black can limit my expansion from lower left corner (keima C6 is anyway played for the corner rather than for the side), and my stones limit the black shimari. other way it would be opposite, i would profit and black would profit, so ballance should be the same.

i don't feel very comfortable from the beginning, somehow the game doesn't have the right rhythm, however i think neither side has advantage so far.

Posted: **Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:51 pm**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move #29, B+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: **Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:23 am**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move #30, B+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . W . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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