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Re: Chinese Japanese rules the same right? Win lose wtf?

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:16 pm
by Magicwand
willemien wrote:
Magicwand wrote:suide rule difference can make it more than 100 point different.

T guess you mean a suicide rule?

But neither of the Japanese or the Japanese rule set allows suicide

(the NZRules do aswell as some other more theoretical rules do)

T

chinese rule allow you to commit suicide rule.

Re: Chinese Japanese rules the same right? Win lose wtf?

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:59 pm
by willemien
Magicwand wrote:
willemien wrote:
Magicwand wrote:suide rule difference can make it more than 100 point different.

T guess you mean a suicide rule?

But neither of the Japanese or the Japanese rule set allows suicide

(the NZRules do aswell as some other more theoretical rules do)

T

chinese rule allow you to commit suicide rule.


As far as i Know the chinese rules don't allow suicide

google translation of http://games.sports.cn/datebase/encyclo ... 46610.html

China Go Competition Rules (2002 Edition)
2010-07-19 17:07:00 中国棋院在线 2010-07-19 17:07:00 Chinese Chess Online
...

Article 5 prohibited the point

棋盘上的任何一点,如某方下子后,该子立即呈无气状态,同时又不能提取对方的棋子。
Any point on the board, such as a party erupted after the child was no gas status immediately, while the other pieces can not be extracted.
这个点叫做“禁着点”。
This point is called the "cut the point."
如图二的标记点都是黑方的禁着点。
Figure II Black markers are forbidden the point.



or in a more readable translation on http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~wjh/go/rules/Chinese.html

The Chinese Rules of Go
From James Davies,
The Rules of Go, in The Go Player's Almanac,
ed. Richard Bozulich, Ishi Press (San Jose, 1992)
Extracted, adapted, and edited by Fred Hansen

Section 5. Forbidden points
A forbidden point is a point on the board which, if occupied by a player's stone, would leave that stone without liberties, while failing to remove any opposing stones. A player cannot play on a forbidden point. In Diagram 2, the points marked with triangles are all forbidden to plays by Black.




Hm i corrected my mistakes in my original reply but here it is still the old version :)

Re: Chinese Japanese rules the same right? Win lose wtf?

Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:18 pm
by antispin
phillip1882 wrote:in general the score differs by at most 1 point, but there are ways to get it to differ by more.
in particular, if you play in your own territory to unnessicarily prevent invasion, under territory rules, each such move would cost you a point, under area, your score stays the same.


This is only true at the very end of the game, after the last dame has been filled. Under area scoring, you also lose a point playing unnecessarily in your own territory if there are still any profitable moves left on the board. Because that stone played in your territory could have gained at least one extra point had it been played to expand the area you control (dame included).