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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:05 pm
by Kirby
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I kind of wanted to play "a", below.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WBut I don't like it that much. Sure, I get a few stones in on the left side... But, it seems kind of over-concentrated, almost, with the tengen there:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WMaybe not over-concentrated... Imbalanced, I feel. If I play on the left, as is shown in the last diagram... Well, I feel like I'm neglecting the right.
I think that I've served my purpose in approaching on the bottom left. I think that the exchange was good for me:
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:48 pm
by yoyoma
@Kirby
@yoyoma
He will approach left or bottom next (probably), and the tengen will give me support to pincer."
I just mean he did what you predicted, but then you didn't pincer as planned. It's the opening so really you can do almost anything but still its strange to say you will pincer and then not do it the very next move.
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:20 pm
by Magicwand
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:07 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:46 am
by Magicwand
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:31 am
by Kirby
yoyoma wrote: @Kirby
@yoyoma
He will approach left or bottom next (probably), and the tengen will give me support to pincer."
I just mean he did what you predicted, but then you didn't pincer as planned. It's the opening so really you can do almost anything but still its strange to say you will pincer and then not do it the very next move.
Haha, good point.
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:19 am
by Kirby
@Joaz
Thanks for your comment, Joaz. I will try to keep my composure throughout this game.
I suppose by your comment with R6, you would have preferred that I played one of the following:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WThese moves both have merit, but I'm not sure that I completely agree at this point. As stated, I feel that playing on the left side doesn't give good balance with the entire board. It dosen't seem like the biggest place to play.
As for playing high, as in the first diagram given above... Well, it may be a possibility. But I feel like it makes it too easy for white to play at "a" in the diagram. In contrast, with the move I played, that area is basically "done".
I will say that the first diagram given in this post seems like a good alternative choice to the move that I played... But I don't have a lot of regrets about playing the way that I did, because I think that it offers good balance.
I will also say that yoyoma brought up a good point in that I already changed my plans. I feel pretty confident, however, that the moves I have played so far are balanced and consistent.
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:32 am
by topazg
@Kirby
Kirby wrote: These moves both have merit, but I'm not sure that I completely agree at this point. As stated, I feel that playing on the left side doesn't give good balance with the entire board. It dosen't seem like the biggest place to play.
I partially agree, though I am unsure if the approach and then tenuki has gained you much in itself. I presume you intend on treating it fairly lightly - have you considered your responses to White pincers in the lower left now?
Kirby wrote: As for playing high, as in the first diagram given above... Well, it may be a possibility. But I feel like it makes it too easy for white to play at "a" in the diagram. In contrast, with the move I played, that area is basically "done".
This illustrates Joaz' point nicely. Of course White can choose to play "a" just like you could have played H3 last move, but it's not appreciating the value of the position you've already built. You've got a nice influential 4-4 in the top right, and a tengen stone, and you're all kitted up for fighting. If you aren't willing to say "bring it on" and tempt White to overplay with "a", why play tengen? you are going to find the 3 handicap stones slowly whittled away through passivity unless you carry on the theme that you've started.
If you had played high, you can then get in a move like R11 which gives fantastic overall balance on the right. Here, I think it is harder for Black to find a move that balances the top right and lower right quite as nicely.
Just my 2c
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:50 am
by Kirby
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Thanks for the comments so far. I have decided that I will not be reading any comments directed toward me until the end of the game. I appreciate the input, and will by all means read them at the end of the game. Until that time, though, I'd like to focus just on this game and my own thoughts of it - not on commentary.
As such, please don't be offended if I do not respond to comments directed to me until the end of the game.
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:15 am
by gaius
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:21 am
by Magicwand
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every move he playes is a moves that i hate.
i dont think he will play as below because that is what i want.
as i said before one stone is an aji but two stone is too heavy to giveup.
i am sure kirby read my comment about aji and heavy before so he will not play as below.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm9i think his correct move sequence is as below.
so what i played is not optimal.
i am willing to play such moves to probe opponent's mind.
i might lose some points but i will understand his state of mind by looking at how he reply.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm9this is also bad for white..
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:26 am
by Chew Terr
Magicwand wrote:
every move he playes is a moves that i hate.
i dont think he will play as below because that is what i want.
as i said before one stone is an aji but two stone is too heavy to giveup.
i am sure kirby read my comment about aji and heavy before so he will not play as below.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm9i think his correct move sequence is as below.
so what i played is not optimal.
i am willing to play such moves to probe opponent's mind.
i might lose some points but i will understand his state of mind by looking at how he reply.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm9this is also bad for white..
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:38 am
by Mnemonic
Yeah, I also haven't seen this before (although what
have I seen before?)
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 should be too slow because usually black has sente after such a sequence. But what if white then plays the wedge?
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1I would be happy as white, even if black tenuki's once (I think)
Am I reading this wrong?
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:54 am
by shapenaji
Mnemonic wrote:
Yeah, I also haven't seen this before (although what
have I seen before?)
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 should be too slow because usually black has sente after such a sequence. But what if white then plays the wedge?
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1I would be happy as white, even if black tenuki's once (I think)
Am I reading this wrong?
Yeah, I don't really like this for black... though black wouldn't play like in the last diagram
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1Black really needs to pull back at 5, this is okay I suppose, it keeps white from playing (a) easily... but it just seems like such a waste of corner aji. If you want to play this way, 1 is pointless, just do this:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1this way you have threats at a and b later
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:14 am
by Kirby
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Well, I've been thinking about this position for awhile, and I think that I am going to tenuki for now. White has played a number of stones in that area, while I still have aji with my single stone:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1Even if white plays at "a", the stone is not dead, yet.
Also, he tenukied after I played at R5 anyway, so I'd like to get some benefit in that area.
I decided to play a two space pincer, because it seems like white could easily ignore a one space pincer. For example:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1Now, white can still pincer, but he doesn't get as much of a benefit from it:
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should be too slow because usually black has sente after such a sequence. But what if white then plays the wedge?