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Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:17 pm
by Bill Spight
Joaz Banbeck wrote: It appears that the concensus of 'b' is correct, and Gaius came very close to the exact answer:
Dictionary of Modern Fuseki wrote: $$Wc Problem 1 wrong answer
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Problem 1 wrong answer...after 10, black's stones are thick and their influence is overwhelming...white needs one more move to secure the corner.
$$Wc Problem 1 right answer
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Problem 1 right answer$$Wc Problem 1 right answer continued
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Problem 1 right answer continued...white's territory is better than black's influence.
They don't mention anything about overconcentration, but I think that it is implied here.
in the first
right answer diagram is not good, IMO.
Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:43 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Bill Spight wrote: ...
in the first
right answer diagram is not good, IMO.
I could believe that; for it does seem to lend itself to over-concentration. But what is the alternative?
Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:02 pm
by Bill Spight
Joaz Banbeck wrote: Bill Spight wrote: ...
in the first
right answer diagram is not good, IMO.
I could believe that; for it does seem to lend itself to over-concentration. But what is the alternative?
In that quadrant, R-15 looks good, to secure the corner.
Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:12 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Bill Spight wrote: Joaz Banbeck wrote: Bill Spight wrote: ...
in the first
right answer diagram is not good, IMO.
I could believe that; for it does seem to lend itself to over-concentration. But what is the alternative?
In that quadrant, R-15 looks good, to secure the corner.
You would allow this?
$$Wc Problem 1
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Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:47 pm
by Bill Spight
Joaz Banbeck wrote: Bill Spight wrote: In that quadrant, R-15 looks good, to secure the corner.
You would allow this?
$$Wc Problem 1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Problem 1Sure.
$$Wc Problem 1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Problem 1I like the exchange,
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Black's right side is strengthened.
$$Wc Problem 1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Problem 1Hmmm. Maybe this is better than securing the corner.
Magicwand, do you have an opinion about this play?
Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:55 pm
by emerus
Bill Spight wrote: $$Wc Problem 1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Problem 1Hmmm. Maybe this is better than securing the corner.
Magicwand, do you have an opinion about this play?
My pro game collection reveals that this diagram is how black handles the position.
Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:51 am
by Magicwand
Bill Spight wrote: Hmmm. Maybe this is better than securing the corner.
Magicwand, do you have an opinion about this play?
i have seen many different variation on the board..
most of them are joseki in my opinion.
what you suggest sounds good also.
my preference was as below.
i like black's influence but it doesnt mean black is better.
$$Wc Problem 1 right answer continued
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Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:08 am
by cyclops
CnP wrote: I've got no chance ! but
I like the the probe at a - in disagreement with all the much stronger players
Mainly because it reminds me a lot of an example in Strategic concepts of Go (G6), e.g. page 55. Force black to settle his shape then take advantage or preserve aji or something .. clearly probes aren't always right though.. still I like trying new things.
I was on your side. Maybe we made both the same mistake.
If the corner were like this:
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bca probe would have been probably correct. The difference is that here B is stable in the corner. A probe would establish some aji and would be left alone after being played and answered. Even if it comes to nothing there is hardly any loss. In Joaz' position the corner is not stable and the invasion should produce some profit. Tenuki before life is a loss. So it isnt a probe but a true invasion. Probes might come before reductions but reductions come before invasions. If I understood correctly.
Our/my kyu eyes don't see enough difference between the obviously distinct shimari's.
in the first right answer diagram is not good, IMO. 
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