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Gang Malkovich 1: Magicwand vs the Gang of Five

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Re: Gang Malkovich 1: Magicwand vs the Gang of Five

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:47 am
by Dusk Eagle
I also agree with O16. I don't have any deep and insightful thoughts behind it, it just seems like the most obvious move (not to say there aren't others)

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Anyway, that's 4/5 consensus, and I doubt Joaz will propose something so different and so much better that we'll change our minds, so I'm going to post it. For future reference, is this the point where whoever is posting can feel free to reveal the move? Or would the rest of you rather we wait for all five views to come in, even in likely unanimous decisions like this?


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Re: Gang Malkovich 1: Magicwand vs the Gang of Five

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:25 am
by Kirby
Dusk Eagle wrote:
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For future reference, is this the point where whoever is posting can feel free to reveal the move? Or would the rest of you rather we wait for all five views to come in, even in likely unanimous decisions like this?



Maybe we can wait for some period of time before posting a move. I agree with both moves posted, but if we get going too fast, there may be some moves made without some people even noticing. It'd be good to at least have a chance to contribute, even if you're against the majority.

For example, a new idea could promote discussion, and lead to people changing their minds.

What do others think about the process for finalizing a move?

Re: Gang Malkovich 1: Magicwand vs the Gang of Five

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:48 am
by mw42
@the gang

Hello, fellows. Just a suggestion: I've been thinking that for the Malkovich games where multiple people need to discuss a move it might be helpful to hold the discussion on a separate page to keep the forum post a little less cluttered. I've went ahead and created an example for this game here. Note that in the caption for the board there are three names in parentheses which might be used to indicate signing off on the move. Once there is a majority -- if that is how you decided to proceed -- the last voter could copy and paste the comments and add his own in the forum post that contains the move.

I hope you don't mind my using of yours names in my example. :-?

Re: Gang Malkovich 1: Magicwand vs the Gang of Five

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:32 pm
by topazg
Sounds great, I've posted a response on the SL page :)

Re: Gang Malkovich 1: Magicwand vs the Gang of Five

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:36 pm
by robinz
As an observer, I'd far rather see the "gang"'s move discussions take place here on L19 than over at Sensei's.

Re: Gang Malkovich 1: Magicwand vs the Gang of Five

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:39 pm
by topazg
I was assuming we'd post the entire SL discussion with the move, when we've made it?

Re: Gang Malkovich 1: Magicwand vs the Gang of Five

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:03 pm
by Dusk Eagle
Kirby wrote:
Dusk Eagle wrote:
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For future reference, is this the point where whoever is posting can feel free to reveal the move? Or would the rest of you rather we wait for all five views to come in, even in likely unanimous decisions like this?



Maybe we can wait for some period of time before posting a move. I agree with both moves posted, but if we get going too fast, there may be some moves made without some people even noticing. It'd be good to at least have a chance to contribute, even if you're against the majority.

For example, a new idea could promote discussion, and lead to people changing their minds.

What do others think about the process for finalizing a move?

Alright, I was actually concerned about the opposite problem - that not posting any moves would lead to an incredibly slow game, which could be bottlenecked by any one person being busy for a couple of days. Since there's no official leader of our group, and since this is being played on a forum rather than IRL or on an IRC channel, I think we need to come up with some agreement as to when one of us can post the next move.

Here's my suggestion: We give everyone one day from the last move to post their thoughts. After that, if a majority (>= 3/5) support a move, anyone may post it, otherwise, we must discuss it some more. If all five people post and agree on a move, it can be played without waiting the full day. How does that sound?

Re: Gang Malkovich 1: Magicwand vs the Gang of Five

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:49 pm
by mw42
@topazg
I'm glad you like the idea. Hopefully it works out well for you and your team.


@robinz
The idea is to copy and paste the discussion from SL to the forum post once they have decided. So you need not ever visit SL to read the full discussion.

Re: Gang Malkovich 1: Magicwand vs the Gang of Five

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:04 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
About SL:
Fine by me if someone copies to SL, but I'd like to see the discussion here.


About voting:
Dusk Eagle wrote:...
Here's my suggestion: We give everyone one day from the last move to post their thoughts. After that, if a majority (>= 3/5) support a move, anyone may post it, otherwise, we must discuss it some more. If all five people post and agree on a move, it can be played without waiting the full day. How does that sound?


I agree with this.

One clarification question: does this mean that we will make a move at a certain time every day? Or does the 24-hour 'day' start when MW posts his move?


About hide tags:
Daniel_the_smith wrote:Can we just post our deliberations without hide tags, since it's unlikely we'll be saying things Magicwand doesn't know?

I disagree. I think that we will see things that MW does not. I'm sure that 5 different viewpoints will sometimes bring up something that he has not thought about.
And I saw a group-killing move that MW missed in his latest game against Topazg. See viewtopic.php?p=50056#p50056

Re: Gang Malkovich 1: Magicwand vs the Gang of Five

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:17 pm
by Dusk Eagle
I was thinking from when Magicwand makes his move. Otherwise, the amount of time we have could vary widely based on when Magicwand makes his move that day.

Re: Gang Malkovich 1: Magicwand vs the Gang of Five

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:20 pm
by topazg
[quote="Joaz Banbeck"]About SL:
Fine by me if someone copies to SL, but I'd like to see the discussion here.


Doesn't it make more sense for both us and the observers to have the discussion on SL? That way, we can post just once here, with the entire conversation. I can see this thread getting _really_ noisy otherwise, I think SL discussion will make it a lot cleaner and easier on everyone.

Re: Gang Malkovich 1: Magicwand vs the Gang of Five

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:50 pm
by daniel_the_smith
If we don't want to do it at sensei's, I think a separate thread for our discussion might be in order. That way we don't have to use hide tags and this thread can be for magicwand and observers to comment in.

I just added a comment at sensei's, btw.

Re: Gang Malkovich 1: Magicwand vs the Gang of Five

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:13 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
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hum...they are having some discussions..
i hope someone fill me in...

Re: Gang Malkovich 1: Magicwand vs the Gang of Five

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:00 pm
by lightvector
Magicwand wrote:
hum...they are having some discussions..
i hope someone fill me in...


@Magicwand
Their discussions are mostly about working out the logistics of how they're going to organize themselves and how/where they will be discussing and choosing their moves. (I think they're setting up a page on Sensei's library).

Re: Gang Malkovich 1: Magicwand vs the Gang of Five

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:11 pm
by daniel_the_smith
J17 is the current favorite: http://senseis.xmp.net/?GangMalkovich1
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