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Simba wrote:

Oh boy, komoku joseki... I wish he'd just played hoshi points ! I would've rather approached the other 3-4 stone since it works better with my hoshi stone in the top left, but this one will have to do. Maybe I should've approached that with my move 4? Mmm, not sure. I tend to just go for the empty corner... I think this move or one to the right is probably the best move - I need to approach his komoku point. Letting him get two shimaris is too good.

While the position in my own Malkovich 110 isn't exactly the same, Kirby uses an approach on move just like you're suggesting. I'm not sure if you're following that game, but take a look. Any questions you might have about that game (or any other Malkovich game), don't hesitate to ask one of the players. These are supposed to be games for learning not just for the players, but for the observers as well.

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Standard joseki, aiming at setting up a base for my stones on the right with an extension on move 12. If white prevents the extension, I'll attach to his komoku stone. Comfortable either way .

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Jordus wrote:

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i expect white to play next around (a)... at which point I will then attack... probably in the bottom left corner... something like the variation in the diagram, maybe 5 at (b) instead...

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NousAutres wrote:Simba,

A lot of people recommend Elementary Go, Vol. 1: In the Beginning, as well as Opening Theory Made Easy by Hideo Otake. I'll add The Direction of Play, by Takeo Kajiwara to that list of recommendations to improve opening play.

If you feel that the middle-game and endgame are your strengths, why not welcome a diagonal fuseki? It opens the board up to earlier engagements, hastening the arrival of the middle game. Moreover, opening in the top left instead of the bottom right puts black on notice that you have every intention of disrupting his shimari if he doesn't enclose.

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Sorry, I was meaning to reply to this but forgot until just now in the shower whilst thinking about this game (well, it's better than singing, isn't it ?)

That's a very interesting thought. I'd always just thought of keeping it as a parallel fuseki since I'm still very new to the game (only been playing 2 months) - not long ago I would've been destroyed in middlegame by anyone even slightly competent.

My style also often is very moyo/influence based, so I suppose parallel fuseki support that more. I'll have an experiment with diagonal fuseki thanks for the idea!

Thanks for the book recommendations, I'll look into them .

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Decided to go for the approach... there is something I wanted to use that bottom influence for... though now that i think about it more it probably isn't the best idea... as i was writing out the diagram it fell apart... I am too tired to be doing any hard thinking...

So stick to the original plan.. at least I was half way awake when i thought of it...

EdLee wrote:Jordus,

Jordus wrote:there is something I wanted to use that bottom influence for...

Every B stone is on the 3rd line; which influence are you referring to?
Reference discussion: http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewto ... =10&t=2982

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in my diagrams of my planned sequence, I was planning on playing on the fourth line around k4... but I guess I really meant board position rather than influence.. I have to get my vocab fixed