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116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9

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Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 12:39 pm
by Redundant
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X , . , . . |
$$ | . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . , . X O , . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . , . O . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]


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Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 12:48 pm
by emeraldemon
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X , . , . . |
$$ | . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . B , . X O , . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . , . O . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]

Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 12:55 pm
by Redundant
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | W . O X , . , . . |
$$ | . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . X , . X O , . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . , . O . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]

Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 6:42 pm
by emeraldemon
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O B . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X , . , . . |
$$ | . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . X , . X O , . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . , . O . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O 1 . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X , . 5 7 . |
$$ | . O X . X X 4 . . |
$$ | . X , . X O 6 . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . , 3 O . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]

Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 6:49 pm
by Redundant
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . W O X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X , . , . . |
$$ | . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . X , . X O , . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . , . O . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]

Not sure if it's good enough to live in gote here, but it's my only option.

Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:31 pm
by emeraldemon
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X , . , . . |
$$ | . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . X , . X O , . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . , B O . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]

Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:37 pm
by Redundant
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X , . , . . |
$$ | . O X . X X W . . |
$$ | . X , . X O , . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . , X O . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X , . 2 4 b |
$$ | . O X . X X 1 3 8 |
$$ | . X , . X O , 9 0 |
$$ | . . X . . O . . a |
$$ | . . , X O . , c . |
$$ | . . 6 5 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]


I'm reading out an all right game for white. Need to check my endgame, though.

Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9

Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 4:27 am
by hyperpape
Redundant wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X , . 2 4 b |
$$ | . O X . X X 1 3 8 |
$$ | . X , . X O , 9 0 |
$$ | . . X . . O . . a |
$$ | . . , X O . , c . |
$$ | . . 6 5 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]


I'm reading out an all right game for white. Need to check my endgame, though.


Can't :w8: be at :b9:?

Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9

Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 6:16 am
by Marcus
hyperpape wrote:
Redundant wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X , . 2 4 b |
$$ | . O X . X X 1 3 8 |
$$ | . X , . X O , 9 0 |
$$ | . . X . . O . . a |
$$ | . . , X O . , c . |
$$ | . . 6 5 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]


I'm reading out an all right game for white. Need to check my endgame, though.


Can't :w8: be at :b9:?


That was my first thought as well.

Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9

Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 9:33 am
by emeraldemon
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X , . B . . |
$$ | . O X . X X O . . |
$$ | . X , . X O , . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . , X O . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]


I'm a bit worried about the double hane:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . 5 . |
$$ | O . O X , . 1 2 7 |
$$ | . O X . X X W 3 . |
$$ | . X , . X O 4 6 . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . , X O . , . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]


If white gets the hane on the other side in sente, I'm not sure I can win. I'll see what he plays.

Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9

Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 11:52 am
by gaius
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X , . 2 4 . |
$$ | . O X . X X 1 3 a |
$$ | . X , . X O , . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . , X O . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]

This is normally bad shape because black has a huge and very annoying endgame turn at 'a'. Much better (I think) to play the normal good-shape move:
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X , . 4 2 . |
$$ | . O X . X X . 1 . |
$$ | . X , . X O , 3 . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . , X O . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]


Uggh, this is so terrible:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . , . , . . |
$$ | . a B . X X . . . |
$$ | . . , . X O , . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . , . O . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]

Instead, something like 'a' should do the trick and kill white. White unconditional life here should be game over, I think.

Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9

Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 1:05 pm
by Shaddy
Hyper, Marcus
The difference is sente and gote. That gains one point but loses sente.

Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9

Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 1:28 pm
by hyperpape
Shaddy wrote:Hyper, Marcus
The difference is sente and gote. That gains one point but loses sente.
I think it's even worse that I thought about sente and gote, and somehow convinced myself that they were both gote.

Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 5:20 pm
by Redundant
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X , . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X X O W . |
$$ | . X , . X O , . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . , X O . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X , . 1 3 . |
$$ | . O X . X X O 2 . |
$$ | . X , . X O , . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . a . |
$$ | . . , X O . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]


If I defend a, I lose by 1 or 2. If I don't he can do nasty stuff.

Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:17 pm
by emeraldemon
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X , . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X X O O . |
$$ | . X , . X O , . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . , X O . B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]


I did some counting, I can't win with normal endgame moves. So it's time for a meltdown move...
I expect something like G2 or F2 next.
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