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Re: what the best move

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 3:28 pm
by Bill Spight
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Shaddy wrote:You could also not play the one-space pincer, which would make things easy...

The one-space pincer did seen a tad agressive to me too.


I agree. :)

Not that the one space pincer is incorrect. It may actually be the best play, for all I know. However, as a practical matter it seems, as Joaz says, a bit too aggressive for a three stone game. Generally in a handicap game it is up to White to seek complications. The one space pincer makes that easier than less aggressive pincers. (OC, if it suits your style, go right ahead. :))

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For instance, with a two space high pincer, :b4:, if White tries the same tactics, after :b8: White has no strong counterattack against the pincer stone.

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 3:32 pm
by EdLee
Bill Spight wrote:I agree. :)
Ah, it's not the pincer part, but the one-space (low) part you were referring to. :mrgreen:

Re: what the best move

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 7:28 pm
by illluck
Then again, in general pincers are more complicated than extensions.

For example, this can be tough for the weaker player.

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Re: what the best move

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 2:58 am
by Harleqin
Since White has neglected to press the pincer stone, I would be inclined to play like this:

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This seems to make the splitting with :b3: more forceful, since the distance between the white groups is smaller. :b1: could be seen as an inducing move.