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Violence vs. Yithril

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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:06 am
by judicata
EdLee wrote:
yithril wrote:I've never won a game as White where I've played at :w1: so I have an irrational hatred for that move and will not play it even though it's fine :P
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Funny, I like :w1: a lot and play it often. :)


Preferences are funny. I don't like :w1: as white because I don't like leaving the double approach open. On the other hand, I don't like :w1: as black because, even if I get a chance to double approach, I feel like I don't get as much. :( I should probably just study the double approach more, as I always feel my opponents get more out of it than I do. Then again, I'm not even sure how good the double approach is in this fuseki.

Re: Violence vs. Yithril

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:30 am
by yithril
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I assume we just play joseki in the lower left?
White 15 could be a two space low approach or high, but the idea here is to take this next big point.

Re: Violence vs. Yithril

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:09 pm
by Violence
You assume incorrectly!

Nah, kidding, it's fine.

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I want to apply pressure to the bottom and the approach stone at the same time, I think this is the best point to do that.

Re: Violence vs. Yithril

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:53 pm
by yithril
Hmm Shinte. I'll have to think about this a bit :P

Btw why don't you number your moves?

Re: Violence vs. Yithril

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:15 pm
by Violence
Lazy.

(Come on, you didn't figure that? How long have we known each other?)

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:20 pm
by EdLee
judicata,
judicata wrote:I should probably just study the double approach more, as I always feel my opponents get more out of it than I do.
That it forces me to study the double approach is precisely one of the reasons I like :w1:. :mrgreen:

Re: Violence vs. Yithril

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:47 pm
by yithril
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I'm defending my bottom group while scrunching him in. He'll take the corner and attack my stone most likely. Any other sequence where I started from my approach stone means he'll pincer my bottom group and use that one stone to unlock annoying aji.

Re: Violence vs. Yithril

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:54 am
by Violence
Sorry, man. Werk werk has been werk.

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This was my plan, I figured he wouldn't play one space further along the bottom, and this makes my shape stronger for the counter pincer here. I think black is slightly better now.

Re: Violence vs. Yithril

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:50 pm
by yithril
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Sorry man, just got finished moving. Wasn't able to keep playing :)

I'll move that lower right stone out later, for now, the top is the largest side.
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