Forum Wide Malkovich Game: Black vs. White

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When in doubt, ask your opponent exactly what their plan is for the moyo. I prefer this to the wedge because it feels like if black defends the corner, white will be pushed against black's influence in a boring way. This area seems important because black can almost perfect his moyo with another move here, whilst a white move should have no trouble getting in black's way. I would intend to adopt a moyo reduction joseki, but goodness knows where this game will go :D
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I want to get this in. :D I feel like this is a decent extension from our left side stones. A nice, loose pincer.
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This should be fun. :)

Besides, I don't like the idea of a Black jump here.
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you attach one, I attach another.... :cool:
I'm thinking...
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Surely sabaki will not be difficult now. I think it would be harsher for black to push between white's stones somehow.
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Make them heavy. Lock them in.
But someone has to remember to go back and patch up K17.
Help make L19 more organized. Make an index: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5207
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There is no other move here. If you let Black capture the stone and get the ponnuki, Black will be thick and have no weaknesses at the top. Meanwhile, White would be cut up like fish and it would be a bitter situation.
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Only move. I thought that usually the atari at L15 is best not played, but to connect here directly.

For the benefit of weaker players, I also explain why this is the only move. The key thing to note is that we should not allow white to settle down too comfortably.

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Connecting at the outer side allows white to capture a stone and settle easily.

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Descending towards the third line allows white to make shape easily.
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Settling the top is urgent. If we play elsewhere:

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White has a heavy group without a base, so a move into settling at the corner is necessary.
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With White strengthened on top, I was thinking about getting frisky with a double approach. Is :w1: an overplay? :b2: - :b6: is a solid response, I think.
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A question to white players:

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I was wondering if white could justify playing this and, if receiving an answer in the corner, then pincering (so the top group would have more eyespace). Is this just aji keshi, or would Bill's sequence be better if white wants to pincer at all?
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Re: Forum Wide Malkovich Game: Black vs. White

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No point in hiding this, as it is in the past:

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unkx80 wrote:... I thought that usually the atari at L15 is best not played, but to connect here directly.


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I felt that white really wanted L15:


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...but I wasn't really sure. Any explanations for why K17 might be better?
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Re: Forum Wide Malkovich Game: Black vs. White

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Anything else seems too passive to me.
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Re: Forum Wide Malkovich Game: Black vs. White

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I can't let myself be intimidated by the ranks fo the other players, this is a game for everybody.

Time to start making some shape for eyes. I really wanted to play P16, but this seems safer.
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While this would probably work, it would feel less satisfying. There's a difference between playing lightly and just sacrificing things, and this seems closer to the latter. The move I chose gives decent eyespace and threatens a not too unreasonable cut in the corner.
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Re: Forum Wide Malkovich Game: Black vs. White

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Chew Terr wrote:
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I can't let myself be intimidated by the ranks fo the other players, this is a game for everybody.


Absolutely. That's the right attitude. :)

Time to start making some shape for eyes. I really wanted to play P16, but this seems safer.
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While this would probably work, it would feel less satisfying. There's a difference between playing lightly and just sacrificing things, and this seems closer to the latter. The move I chose gives decent eyespace and threatens a not too unreasonable cut in the corner.


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In tournament contract bridge there is often a mismatch in strength between partners. We say that the stronger player carries the weaker. There is nothing wrong with that, that's how it is. I appreciate the thought that you put into this play, and I mean no reflection it, one way or another. But let me encourage a carefree attitude. Sit back and enjoy the ride. You do not have to carry us. :)

You made a considered play, and that is good. But it would also be fine to make a play because you really want to make it. Nobody is going to jump on you for doing so. We do not expect perfection. We are carrying you. :)

We all play within our limitations. It may well be that the best play is one that takes you into unfamiliar territory that would give you trouble. That's why you have partners. :)
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