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156 Redundant vs Magicwand

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Re: 156 Redundant vs Magicwand

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:13 pm
by Magicwand
H5 jump

Re: 156 Redundant vs Magicwand

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:00 pm
by Redundant
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Let's cut him. I don't want to play in the gap between H5 and E5 because anything there lets him get forcing moves there.

If he tries to resist the cut, I'll get thickness facing his jump, which is without a good base due to the pincer and my three connected stones being thick enough to resist anything trying to get a base beneath them.

Re: 156 Redundant vs Magicwand

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:59 pm
by Magicwand
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what he played seems correct... but i didnt lose toomany points so i am still ok.

Re: 156 Redundant vs Magicwand

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:38 pm
by Redundant
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I'm strong enough here to really fight. Extending to E6 is just tepid.

Re: 156 Redundant vs Magicwand

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:08 pm
by Magicwand
E8

Re: 156 Redundant vs Magicwand

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:45 pm
by Redundant
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I'm thick and can aim at attacking his one space jump. He still needs to play on his group here. I think I successfully refuted his trick here.

Re: 156 Redundant vs Magicwand

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:07 pm
by Magicwand
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my opponent is very strong. stronger than i expected. but i think i will win. :)

Re: 156 Redundant vs Magicwand

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:40 pm
by Magicwand
i expect him to block as below.
then i will play a move to secure my group from attack at "a".
sofar my opponent is playing mistake free game..
all i can do right now is wait till he make mistake.

funny thing about handycap game..if i try harder to draw opponent's mistake by playing strong moves..less mistake will happen.
but if i throw a ball to him and let him decide next move..then they usually will make a mistake.
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Re: 156 Redundant vs Magicwand

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:54 pm
by Redundant
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Need to attack him to keep the "flow". I'm not sure if I like the result here, but can't pin one move as wrong.

Re: 156 Redundant vs Magicwand

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:05 pm
by illluck
I like black's move here. I would have played the block, but even then the corner is not really big (with F2 being open). This cap feels much more active.

Re: 156 Redundant vs Magicwand

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:14 am
by Magicwand
K5
i think he should have blocked

Re: 156 Redundant vs Magicwand

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:29 pm
by Redundant
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I have no idea how this shape works. I wanted to just extend from my third line stone, but that feels soft. I'm going to cut him and turn this into a whole board mess. I have more influence though, so I like my options.

Re: 156 Redundant vs Magicwand

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:02 pm
by Magicwand
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now he is starting to experiment with funny moves :)
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i drew first two variation came to my mind..
either way he will lose some points i think..

Re: 156 Redundant vs Magicwand

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:32 pm
by perceval
Magicwand wrote:K5


but on the 2 last diag (both red move and MW answer )the stone in on L5 ???

Re: 156 Redundant vs Magicwand

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:02 pm
by Redundant
perceval wrote:
Magicwand wrote:K5


but on the 2 last diag (both red move and MW answer )the stone in on L5 ???


Oh, my bad. I need to reconsider my move then.

Board should be this

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